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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9360 on: July 18, 2018, 11:07:23 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9361 on: July 18, 2018, 11:44:11 pm »
But more importantly, it's also the 10 year anniversary of the classic animated comedy Space Chimps.
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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9362 on: July 19, 2018, 12:22:07 am »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).
I feel bad for kicking my promise to watch this down the road. Hoping to rent the entire trilogy just so I can provide the most payoff.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9363 on: July 19, 2018, 01:40:07 am »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9364 on: July 19, 2018, 08:21:43 am »
But more importantly, it's also the 10 year anniversary of the classic animated comedy Space Chimps.

Space Chimps > TDK tbh

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9365 on: July 19, 2018, 05:52:20 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.
I mean, I think it's pretty certain you aren't changing your mind at this point lol (much as I'd be thrilled if you did). Also, you probably didn't read the article I linked above, but it's an interesting perspective on how The Dark Knight altered blockbuster cinema. It'll probably do no favors for you liking the movie, since the author argues that it's indirectly responsible for the rise of studio controlled superhero films, but it's an interesting take nonetheless.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9366 on: July 19, 2018, 06:15:43 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.
I mean, I think it's pretty certain you aren't changing your mind at this point lol (much as I'd be thrilled if you did). Also, you probably didn't read the article I linked above, but it's an interesting perspective on how The Dark Knight altered blockbuster cinema. It'll probably do no favors for you liking the movie, since the author argues that it's indirectly responsible for the rise of studio controlled superhero films, but it's an interesting take nonetheless.

I find it interesting that you, as a utilitarian, enjoy that film. The Joker's plan at the climax is essentially a real-life test of utilitarian theory. I get the feeling that if you were on that boat, you'd be arguing heavily for the "blow up the convicts" side.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9367 on: July 21, 2018, 01:02:04 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.
I mean, I think it's pretty certain you aren't changing your mind at this point lol (much as I'd be thrilled if you did). Also, you probably didn't read the article I linked above, but it's an interesting perspective on how The Dark Knight altered blockbuster cinema. It'll probably do no favors for you liking the movie, since the author argues that it's indirectly responsible for the rise of studio controlled superhero films, but it's an interesting take nonetheless.

I find it interesting that you, as a utilitarian, enjoy that film. The Joker's plan at the climax is essentially a real-life test of utilitarian theory. I get the feeling that if you were on that boat, you'd be arguing heavily for the "blow up the convicts" side.
I've always found it a fascinating moral dilemma, actually. Honestly not sure what I'd do in that situation, since the essential question has always been whether the people are actually any better than the convicts if we choose to blow up the boat. Really it's a test of how pragmatic one is willing to be; of course both boats blowing up is the worst outcome possible but can we really bring ourselves to actively kill hundreds of other people? It's a rather impossible situation. Anyway, in a rather dark movie, the outcome there really is quite inspirational and profound, I think.

Also, I find it interesting that you're surprised that I could enjoy something despite disagreeing with its politics. That question's another that I find pretty interesting, and I do wonder how much agreeing or disagreeing with a film's message impacts one's affinity for the project. I've always felt like it isn't too relevant for me (hell, American Sniper was my favorite movie of 2014), but that's probably not actually true.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9368 on: July 21, 2018, 01:19:42 pm »
The fact that you think American Sniper is the best film of 2014 makes your opinions objectively wrong.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9369 on: July 21, 2018, 02:35:28 pm »
The fact that you think American Sniper is the best film of 2014 makes your opinions objectively wrong.
Haven't actually seen it since it came out so I could've been wrong about that for sure. Rewatched Before the Devil Knows You're Dead two days ago and, while it's a really good film, I definitely built it up in my mind having not seen it for years.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9370 on: July 21, 2018, 02:48:13 pm »
I've always found it a fascinating moral dilemma, actually. Honestly not sure what I'd do in that situation, since the essential question has always been whether the people are actually any better than the convicts if we choose to blow up the boat. Really it's a test of how pragmatic one is willing to be; of course both boats blowing up is the worst outcome possible but can we really bring ourselves to actively kill hundreds of other people? It's a rather impossible situation. Anyway, in a rather dark movie, the outcome there really is quite inspirational and profound, I think.

Also, I find it interesting that you're surprised that I could enjoy something despite disagreeing with its politics. That question's another that I find pretty interesting, and I do wonder how much agreeing or disagreeing with a film's message impacts one's affinity for the project. I've always felt like it isn't too relevant for me (hell, American Sniper was my favorite movie of 2014), but that's probably not actually true.

It's probably my favorite part of the whole movie, and thinking about it now has earned the film a place on my Pro-Freedom Watchlist. Still, am I wrong in saying that a pure utilitarian would advocate for blowing up the other ship? It's essentially a real-life test of the trolley car problem, or the "would you kill 300,000 people to save 400,000 people" question. In terms of total lives saved, utilitarianism would have no question about what to do in that scenario-- which is, coincidentally, precisely why I find the ideology to be immoral.

Your second paragraph does make sense. I've often thought that a few of my favorite films are diametrically opposed to my beliefs. Jurassic Park is a good example-- I hate people who say things like "man was never meant to meddle with stuff like this" when it comes to science. Hubris isn't a real thing. Movies with that kind of message remind me of this webcomic:

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I recall finding it weird that you liked American Sniper so much, given your political predilections and the fact that it's not even that good of a movie.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9371 on: Today at 12:29:12 am »
I've always found it a fascinating moral dilemma, actually. Honestly not sure what I'd do in that situation, since the essential question has always been whether the people are actually any better than the convicts if we choose to blow up the boat. Really it's a test of how pragmatic one is willing to be; of course both boats blowing up is the worst outcome possible but can we really bring ourselves to actively kill hundreds of other people? It's a rather impossible situation. Anyway, in a rather dark movie, the outcome there really is quite inspirational and profound, I think.

Also, I find it interesting that you're surprised that I could enjoy something despite disagreeing with its politics. That question's another that I find pretty interesting, and I do wonder how much agreeing or disagreeing with a film's message impacts one's affinity for the project. I've always felt like it isn't too relevant for me (hell, American Sniper was my favorite movie of 2014), but that's probably not actually true.

It's probably my favorite part of the whole movie, and thinking about it now has earned the film a place on my Pro-Freedom Watchlist. Still, am I wrong in saying that a pure utilitarian would advocate for blowing up the other ship? It's essentially a real-life test of the trolley car problem, or the "would you kill 300,000 people to save 400,000 people" question. In terms of total lives saved, utilitarianism would have no question about what to do in that scenario-- which is, coincidentally, precisely why I find the ideology to be immoral.

Your second paragraph does make sense. I've often thought that a few of my favorite films are diametrically opposed to my beliefs. Jurassic Park is a good example-- I hate people who say things like "man was never meant to meddle with stuff like this" when it comes to science. Hubris isn't a real thing. Movies with that kind of message remind me of this webcomic:

Spoiler (hover to show)

I recall finding it weird that you liked American Sniper so much, given your political predilections and the fact that it's not even that good of a movie.
Nah, I'd say you're right as to what a pure utilitarian would think. Perhaps my issue here is that I've always thought it was a bit silly to be entirely beholden to one ideology just for the sake of being entirely consistent. Conversely, I might've just seen the movie so many times that the outcome of the film seems more probable than it would be in real life, who knows. I think I'd sum up my thoughts by saying that it's rational to blow up the other boat but far more noble to wait and hope for something to change. As for the trolley problem though, I've always found it messed up that some people would choose to remain on the track and kill 5 people rather than pulling the lever to switch and kill one (numbers could be different but that's how I remember hearing it). Always seemed crazy to me that anyone could choose 1 over 5 I guess.

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