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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9360 on: July 18, 2018, 11:07:23 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9361 on: July 18, 2018, 11:44:11 pm »
But more importantly, it's also the 10 year anniversary of the classic animated comedy Space Chimps.
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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9362 on: July 19, 2018, 12:22:07 am »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).
I feel bad for kicking my promise to watch this down the road. Hoping to rent the entire trilogy just so I can provide the most payoff.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9363 on: July 19, 2018, 01:40:07 am »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9364 on: July 19, 2018, 08:21:43 am »
But more importantly, it's also the 10 year anniversary of the classic animated comedy Space Chimps.

Space Chimps > TDK tbh

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9365 on: July 19, 2018, 05:52:20 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.
I mean, I think it's pretty certain you aren't changing your mind at this point lol (much as I'd be thrilled if you did). Also, you probably didn't read the article I linked above, but it's an interesting perspective on how The Dark Knight altered blockbuster cinema. It'll probably do no favors for you liking the movie, since the author argues that it's indirectly responsible for the rise of studio controlled superhero films, but it's an interesting take nonetheless.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9366 on: July 19, 2018, 06:15:43 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.
I mean, I think it's pretty certain you aren't changing your mind at this point lol (much as I'd be thrilled if you did). Also, you probably didn't read the article I linked above, but it's an interesting perspective on how The Dark Knight altered blockbuster cinema. It'll probably do no favors for you liking the movie, since the author argues that it's indirectly responsible for the rise of studio controlled superhero films, but it's an interesting take nonetheless.

I find it interesting that you, as a utilitarian, enjoy that film. The Joker's plan at the climax is essentially a real-life test of utilitarian theory. I get the feeling that if you were on that boat, you'd be arguing heavily for the "blow up the convicts" side.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9367 on: July 21, 2018, 01:02:04 pm »
Public service announcement that today is the ten-year release date anniversary of the greatest film ever made. Sadly got home too late to do an anniversary watch, but keep Christopher Nolan's masterpiece, The Dark Knight, in your hearts as you sleep tonight.

As a bonus, here's an Atlantic article about the lasting influence of the film on modern cinema. Also, since the ten year period has passed, I can officially declare this movie a classic which makes me happy (ten years has always been my arbitrary deadline).

After watching The Last Jedi tonight, I feel like I should give The Dark Knight another (an eighth) try. As much as I go on about how bloodless the characters are and how haphazard the plotting is, I certainly can't blame it for the state of blockbuster movies today. Nolan may be a pseudo-intellectual, but he's no Marvel/Disney.
I mean, I think it's pretty certain you aren't changing your mind at this point lol (much as I'd be thrilled if you did). Also, you probably didn't read the article I linked above, but it's an interesting perspective on how The Dark Knight altered blockbuster cinema. It'll probably do no favors for you liking the movie, since the author argues that it's indirectly responsible for the rise of studio controlled superhero films, but it's an interesting take nonetheless.

I find it interesting that you, as a utilitarian, enjoy that film. The Joker's plan at the climax is essentially a real-life test of utilitarian theory. I get the feeling that if you were on that boat, you'd be arguing heavily for the "blow up the convicts" side.
I've always found it a fascinating moral dilemma, actually. Honestly not sure what I'd do in that situation, since the essential question has always been whether the people are actually any better than the convicts if we choose to blow up the boat. Really it's a test of how pragmatic one is willing to be; of course both boats blowing up is the worst outcome possible but can we really bring ourselves to actively kill hundreds of other people? It's a rather impossible situation. Anyway, in a rather dark movie, the outcome there really is quite inspirational and profound, I think.

Also, I find it interesting that you're surprised that I could enjoy something despite disagreeing with its politics. That question's another that I find pretty interesting, and I do wonder how much agreeing or disagreeing with a film's message impacts one's affinity for the project. I've always felt like it isn't too relevant for me (hell, American Sniper was my favorite movie of 2014), but that's probably not actually true.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9368 on: July 21, 2018, 01:19:42 pm »
The fact that you think American Sniper is the best film of 2014 makes your opinions objectively wrong.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9369 on: July 21, 2018, 02:35:28 pm »
The fact that you think American Sniper is the best film of 2014 makes your opinions objectively wrong.
Haven't actually seen it since it came out so I could've been wrong about that for sure. Rewatched Before the Devil Knows You're Dead two days ago and, while it's a really good film, I definitely built it up in my mind having not seen it for years.

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« Reply #9370 on: July 21, 2018, 02:48:13 pm »
I've always found it a fascinating moral dilemma, actually. Honestly not sure what I'd do in that situation, since the essential question has always been whether the people are actually any better than the convicts if we choose to blow up the boat. Really it's a test of how pragmatic one is willing to be; of course both boats blowing up is the worst outcome possible but can we really bring ourselves to actively kill hundreds of other people? It's a rather impossible situation. Anyway, in a rather dark movie, the outcome there really is quite inspirational and profound, I think.

Also, I find it interesting that you're surprised that I could enjoy something despite disagreeing with its politics. That question's another that I find pretty interesting, and I do wonder how much agreeing or disagreeing with a film's message impacts one's affinity for the project. I've always felt like it isn't too relevant for me (hell, American Sniper was my favorite movie of 2014), but that's probably not actually true.

It's probably my favorite part of the whole movie, and thinking about it now has earned the film a place on my Pro-Freedom Watchlist. Still, am I wrong in saying that a pure utilitarian would advocate for blowing up the other ship? It's essentially a real-life test of the trolley car problem, or the "would you kill 300,000 people to save 400,000 people" question. In terms of total lives saved, utilitarianism would have no question about what to do in that scenario-- which is, coincidentally, precisely why I find the ideology to be immoral.

Your second paragraph does make sense. I've often thought that a few of my favorite films are diametrically opposed to my beliefs. Jurassic Park is a good example-- I hate people who say things like "man was never meant to meddle with stuff like this" when it comes to science. Hubris isn't a real thing. Movies with that kind of message remind me of this webcomic:

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I recall finding it weird that you liked American Sniper so much, given your political predilections and the fact that it's not even that good of a movie.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9371 on: July 22, 2018, 12:29:12 am »
I've always found it a fascinating moral dilemma, actually. Honestly not sure what I'd do in that situation, since the essential question has always been whether the people are actually any better than the convicts if we choose to blow up the boat. Really it's a test of how pragmatic one is willing to be; of course both boats blowing up is the worst outcome possible but can we really bring ourselves to actively kill hundreds of other people? It's a rather impossible situation. Anyway, in a rather dark movie, the outcome there really is quite inspirational and profound, I think.

Also, I find it interesting that you're surprised that I could enjoy something despite disagreeing with its politics. That question's another that I find pretty interesting, and I do wonder how much agreeing or disagreeing with a film's message impacts one's affinity for the project. I've always felt like it isn't too relevant for me (hell, American Sniper was my favorite movie of 2014), but that's probably not actually true.

It's probably my favorite part of the whole movie, and thinking about it now has earned the film a place on my Pro-Freedom Watchlist. Still, am I wrong in saying that a pure utilitarian would advocate for blowing up the other ship? It's essentially a real-life test of the trolley car problem, or the "would you kill 300,000 people to save 400,000 people" question. In terms of total lives saved, utilitarianism would have no question about what to do in that scenario-- which is, coincidentally, precisely why I find the ideology to be immoral.

Your second paragraph does make sense. I've often thought that a few of my favorite films are diametrically opposed to my beliefs. Jurassic Park is a good example-- I hate people who say things like "man was never meant to meddle with stuff like this" when it comes to science. Hubris isn't a real thing. Movies with that kind of message remind me of this webcomic:

Spoiler (hover to show)

I recall finding it weird that you liked American Sniper so much, given your political predilections and the fact that it's not even that good of a movie.
Nah, I'd say you're right as to what a pure utilitarian would think. Perhaps my issue here is that I've always thought it was a bit silly to be entirely beholden to one ideology just for the sake of being entirely consistent. Conversely, I might've just seen the movie so many times that the outcome of the film seems more probable than it would be in real life, who knows. I think I'd sum up my thoughts by saying that it's rational to blow up the other boat but far more noble to wait and hope for something to change. As for the trolley problem though, I've always found it messed up that some people would choose to remain on the track and kill 5 people rather than pulling the lever to switch and kill one (numbers could be different but that's how I remember hearing it). Always seemed crazy to me that anyone could choose 1 over 5 I guess.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9372 on: July 22, 2018, 03:17:22 am »
Ethan Hawke briefly joined Quora right as Before Sunset was opening.Not that he ever said much.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9373 on: July 23, 2018, 06:14:47 pm »
Ethan Hawke briefly joined Quora right as Before Sunset was opening.Not that he ever said much.
Chris Hemsworth joined fairly recently too.
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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9374 on: July 25, 2018, 05:10:34 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFABajBNDJg

I honestly feel so attacked right now.
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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9375 on: July 26, 2018, 01:28:16 pm »
I remember we had a best commercials thread, or something, but I can't find it right now. I'll probably move this post there once I do.

In the meantime, here's this Russian YouTube ad for a range of insect killer sprays. It's entirely in rap, and features gems like "will get rid of your problems like Topol-M" (our most important ICBM that splits into about a dozen warheads), and "wasps fear this more than Novichok". Tbh, this last claim is probably true, given the shitty track record of the latter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg2bK3zZvAk

All right, rap adverts are definitely the "in" thing here and now. Have a look at another one I saw just now, for a cough spray.

https://youtu.be/hIuq6Dlh6II

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9376 on: July 28, 2018, 03:00:36 am »
You guys need to make something fun happen on this site, and fast. In my downtime, I've now taken to using Quora and 4Chan for debate, and it's hellish. Quora's blocking/banning/censoring policy is done with bots, and it's really sensitive, so I can't be my usual boundary-pushing self. Meanwhile, that /pol/ board is the worst fucking thing on the internet. Seriously, these people are pathetic neckbeard Christian neo-fascists. However, after getting into a serious argument with a few of them on the merits of authoritarianism, I did get one of them to write this comment:



Honestly... this is proof positive that these people have no convictions whatsoever. The moment I start questioning their Zionist conspiracies, they fall back on this. I'd almost prefer it if they tried to fight back, because then we could have had a real debate. This way, I just know they'll go back to blaming the Jews for all their problems in a few hours.

Meanwhile, this guy has been commenting on my Quora account:



So to reiterate: Start posting some good content ASAP. I don't want to spend the rest of my life on the internet marinating my brain in this retardation. I demand that the Oasis continue to amuse me with its fun movie-related antics.

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« Reply #9377 on: July 28, 2018, 08:35:08 am »
You guys need to make something fun happen on this site, and fast. In my downtime, I've now taken to using Quora and 4Chan for debate, and it's hellish. Quora's blocking/banning/censoring policy is done with bots, and it's really sensitive, so I can't be my usual boundary-pushing self. Meanwhile, that /pol/ board is the worst fucking thing on the internet. Seriously, these people are pathetic neckbeard Christian neo-fascists. However, after getting into a serious argument with a few of them on the merits of authoritarianism, I did get one of them to write this comment:



Honestly... this is proof positive that these people have no convictions whatsoever. The moment I start questioning their Zionist conspiracies, they fall back on this. I'd almost prefer it if they tried to fight back, because then we could have had a real debate. This way, I just know they'll go back to blaming the Jews for all their problems in a few hours.

Meanwhile, this guy has been commenting on my Quora account:



So to reiterate: Start posting some good content ASAP. I don't want to spend the rest of my life on the internet marinating my brain in this retardation. I demand that the Oasis continue to amuse me with its fun movie-related antics.

Had a look through that Serbian's profile. I almost started to like him... but then he claimed we were better off under serfdom. I also think the main reason he explicitly likes Stalin is because he was practically the only one out of all the Communist who was explicitly anti-abortion.

For my part, I generally stay out of arguments (right now, most of what I do there is a forlorn attempt to clean up its topic system from all the bot errors and dyslexic idiots.), and only bookmark the more notable things I find. For instance, here's a delicious example of a deluded pro-Macron American. I am tempted to tell him to take his image-laden crap to imgur, but a) people there might actually upvote this and b) he would probably dismiss me as Russian interference anyway.

And I think the main reason for Oasis' decline and what not is simply that we changed. Let's be honest, basically all of us joined this group when we were in our mid-to-late teens, without too many responsibilities (except for Dylan, but I think he was already retired back then.) Now, practically all of us are in our 20s (I think Moody and Kashmir are the only exceptions, and unsurprisingly, they are the most consistently present users on here now) and our priorities changed. We are now in the decade of our lives where anyone with our means can push forward to establish themselves individually if they focus their available time in the right way.

Neither Cutler nor Treet are inclined to spend their evenings contocting memes for a dozen people when they are halfway through challenging colleges. For me, spending hours researching political arguments to my satisfaction for a couple of people on here (or even the potentially wider audience on Quora, for that matter) also makes less sense than, say, finally getting my scattered programming knowledge in order.

In all, I think the best thing we can all do right now is to set most of the website to "members-only" with a 50-100 post barrier (Gunn situation ought to have re-established the risks we face), leaving only a few boards (Best movies by year, Games and User reviews?) open. Perhaps also create a specific newbie board or something, and accept that we are no longer the same people as before. I think that we are in for at least 3-5 years of a similar stasis before Oasis will revitalise again.

Once we are all in mid- to late-twenties, all hopefully with a proper job and much less uncertainty in the future, it would no longer feel wrong or a waste to log back in daily and spend many a slow evening on discussions no-one outside of this domain will read. In the meantime, this sort of residual "comatose" posting is not something to be concerned with. Just focus on getting your book done, and stop being concerned with internet debates or the lack of them. Once you'll have something distinctive done - once all of us will, outside of this website - then it'll be far easier to pick the right debates.

P.S. If you must, though, I do suggest you try posting in English on Dobrochan. I mean, it's not like you have anything to lose by doing so, and most people ought to understand you there, and should, at least in theory, be committed enough to their "kindness" motif to allow for decently productive conversation.

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Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Reply #9378 on: July 28, 2018, 04:07:02 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFABajBNDJg

I honestly feel so attacked right now.

Someone else should be feeling more attacked.



I feel like John just hates anything that mainly stars women or is a mainstream comedy, and likes anything that has action in it (unless it's The Purge).  All of his opinions are so ridiculously predictable that's it's kind of hilarious.
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« Reply #9379 on: July 30, 2018, 02:27:47 am »
For the record though, I hate Pete Rosenthal and I always have. His reviews are really unfunny; you typically get the joke about 20 seconds in, and then there's no additional humor for the rest of the video. This particular one smacked of the "appeal to mob authority" that I'm really sick of these days, both in film culture and in politics. Whenever someone tells you that it's okay to "just turn your brain off," or that you're "criticizing a perfectly fine piece of pop culture," or that "people won't like you if you say this is bad," run like the wind. They're probably a latent authoritarian trying to steal your soul.

Still, it was probably his best review in years.

 

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