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Title: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 21, 2017, 09:16:10 pm
John and Jed, post all your Trump-related material here.



So guys, I've been thinking... are centipede memes and Pepe the Frog going to end up in history textbooks across the country someday?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 21, 2017, 09:27:29 pm
So guys, I've been thinking... are centipede memes and Pepe the Frog going to end up in history textbooks across the country someday?
Given that the President is a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic walking-turd-sandwich clown who never answers the questions, can't even spell Obamacare properly, believes sexual assault is the equivalent of locker room banter, and told a court that he'll see them in court... yeah, it's a likely possibility, and it will be a very, very sad day when it happens.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on February 21, 2017, 09:31:46 pm
So guys, I've been thinking... are centipede memes and Pepe the Frog going to end up in history textbooks across the country someday?
Given that the President is a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic walking-turd-sandwich clown who never answers the questions, can't even spell Obamacare properly, believes sexual assault is the equivalent of locker room banter, and told a court that he'll see them in court... yeah, it's a likely possibility, and it will be a very, very sad day when it happens.

Wait... Jed's our president?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 21, 2017, 09:32:41 pm
the President can't even spell Obamacare properly
Srsly...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4zmexaXAAQYBtV.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 21, 2017, 09:38:15 pm
Btw, if y'all haven't read this, please do. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B56DucmHTe_aOUdfLXVDRzE1Tk0/view) This should be made into a feature with Alec Baldwin returning from SNL.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on February 21, 2017, 09:41:20 pm
Damn John... didn't realize you cared this much...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 21, 2017, 09:42:46 pm
Damn John... didn't realize you cared this much...
Yeah, I'm actually both surprised and saddened that I do care this much.

I miss the old days, back when politics were just boring.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 21, 2017, 09:44:40 pm
See, this is what I don't get about the left. You guys need to fight Trump on his own terms. He's turned politics into a big joke, so just use that against him. Get some memes of your own. Some refined, weapons-grade, dank-ass memes.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on February 21, 2017, 09:50:02 pm
Damn John... didn't realize you cared this much...
Yeah, I'm actually both surprised and saddened that I do care this much.

I miss the old days, back when politics were just boring.

imma let you in on a secret that'll help you.

i hate people.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 21, 2017, 09:52:41 pm
So guys, I've been thinking... are centipede memes and Pepe the Frog going to end up in history textbooks across the country someday?
Given that the President is a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic walking-turd-sandwich clown who never answers the questions, can't even spell Obamacare properly, believes sexual assault is the equivalent of locker room banter, and told a court that he'll see them in court... yeah, it's a likely possibility, and it will be a very, very sad day when it happens.
There's also him wanting to bang his own kid. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-comments_us_57f250d5e4b082aad9bbf2d7)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: PORG on February 21, 2017, 11:44:43 pm
So guys, I've been thinking... are centipede memes and Pepe the Frog going to end up in history textbooks across the country someday?
Given that the President is a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic walking-turd-sandwich clown who never answers the questions, can't even spell Obamacare properly, believes sexual assault is the equivalent of locker room banter, and told a court that he'll see them in court... yeah, it's a likely possibility, and it will be a very, very sad day when it happens.
I don't know why, but for some reason I read this like a JT mini-review....
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: JohnBot on February 21, 2017, 11:56:02 pm
So guys, I've been thinking... are centipede memes and Pepe the Frog going to end up in history textbooks across the country someday?
Given that the President is a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic walking-turd-sandwich clown who never answers the questions, can't even spell Obamacare properly, believes sexual assault is the equivalent of locker room banter, and told a court that he'll see them in court... yeah, it's a likely possibility, and it will be a very, very sad day when it happens.
I don't know why, but for some reason I read this like a JT mini-review....

The Donald Trump Presidency (2017)

Director: Steve Bannon
Writer: Steve Bannon
Starring: Donald J. Trump, Kellyanne Conway, Milo Yiannopolous, Corey Lewandowski, Michael Flynn, Vladimir Putin, Mike Pence, Billy Bush, Betsy DeVos, Jeff Sessions, Pepe the Frog, various libtards/cucks

Review: "Though Donald Trump's Presidency is a step up from previous efforts by director Steve Bannon, it still suffers from haphazard writing, a severe lack of likable characters, and an overabundance of unbelievable plot twists, making the entire affair increasingly detached from reality and difficult to form any sort of emotional connection with."

2/10
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: The One Who Lurks on February 22, 2017, 01:04:14 am
Given that the President is a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic walking-turd-sandwich clown who never answers the questions, can't even spell Obamacare properly, believes sexual assault is the equivalent of locker room banter, and told a court that he'll see them in court... yeah, it's a likely possibility, and it will be a very, very sad day when it happens.

Ah sweet, I finally got a bingo!

(http://i.imgur.com/zObuaRB.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 22, 2017, 01:06:29 am
Given that the President is a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic walking-turd-sandwich clown who never answers the questions, can't even spell Obamacare properly, believes sexual assault is the equivalent of locker room banter, and told a court that he'll see them in court... yeah, it's a likely possibility, and it will be a very, very sad day when it happens.

Ah sweet, I finally got a bingo!

(http://i.imgur.com/zObuaRB.png)

CHECK YOUR MICROAGGRESSIONS, YOU CISGENDER FASCIST!
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on February 22, 2017, 05:55:08 am
Btw, if y'all haven't read this, please do. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B56DucmHTe_aOUdfLXVDRzE1Tk0/view) This should be made into a feature with Alec Baldwin returning from SNL.

I made it 10 pages in or so when you first posted this, and thought it was pretty much the most extreme and unwise example of premature gloating and celebration. Now, of course, it's just amusingly pathetic.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 22, 2017, 08:09:46 pm
The Trump Administration bans Kellyanne Conway from TV. (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/22/where-is-kellyanne-conway-trump-adviser-reportedly-banned-from-television/21719668/)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 27, 2017, 10:13:16 pm
Casey Affleck just found out his production company donated to Trump's transition team. He is not pleased. (http://www.indiewire.com/2017/02/casey-affleck-production-company-donations-donald-trump-1201788017/)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on February 27, 2017, 10:19:31 pm
Casey Affleck just found out his production company donated to Trump's transition team. He is not pleased. (http://www.indiewire.com/2017/02/casey-affleck-production-company-donations-donald-trump-1201788017/)

Right now, he and Trump are in the same boat with the Hollyweirdos.     
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 02, 2017, 11:50:48 am
Holy bejeezus, is Sessions going to go down in flames even faster than Flynn did? (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/jeff-sessions-russian-ambassador-meetings/) The guy is the fucking Attorney General and he didn't even disclose his secret talks with the Russian ambassador in his hearings. And now they expect him to be the one to investigate Trump's Russia ties? How stupid do they think we are?

Oh... right.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 02, 2017, 06:16:38 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/RxnU9vA.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 04, 2017, 05:12:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/VOetjZg.gif)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 25, 2017, 12:53:20 pm
A Mexican immigrant has created a 3D printed Trump butt-plug. (https://3dprint.com/80787/donald-trump-butt-plug/)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on April 03, 2017, 06:49:44 pm
So it's looking likely that a filibuster against Gorsuch could happen. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/03/politics/neil-gorsuch-filibuster-senate/index.html)

I'm going to be disappointed if Gorsuch is blocked. The guy's not perfect, obviously, but some of his rulings suggest that he won't suck up to Trump on everything, and because should he fall, Trump could just nominate another, possibly more partisan justice.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on April 03, 2017, 07:03:30 pm
So it's looking likely that a filibuster against Gorsuch could happen. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/03/politics/neil-gorsuch-filibuster-senate/index.html)

I'm going to be disappointed if Gorsuch is blocked. The guy's not perfect, obviously, but some of his rulings suggest that he won't suck up to Trump on everything, and because should he fall, Trump could just nominate another, possibly more partisan justice.
The Republicans are just gonna take the nuclear option anyway.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on April 05, 2017, 03:54:56 am
So, in case anyone had doubts, Trump is an ISIS recruitment tool. (http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960116000279)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on April 11, 2017, 06:24:47 pm
Classic Sean Spicer (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/us/politics/sean-spicer-hitler-gas-holocaust-center.html?_r=0).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on April 16, 2017, 02:44:49 pm
This is hilarious. I was tempted to post this on the Art thread.

(https://knightstemplarinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/trump-under-attack-by-elites-1030x580-640x360.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on April 16, 2017, 03:34:18 pm
This is hilarious. I was tempted to post this on the Art thread.

(https://knightstemplarinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/trump-under-attack-by-elites-1030x580-640x360.jpg)

Though, this is even better. (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/the-plot-against-europe/) In theory, I should welcome a lot of these events, but it's just so hilariously overblown. It's even funnier then that book-turned-script John reported on once, one where Mexico exceeds China. I'm keeping this in my bookmarks, as I'm genuinely interested as to how many events (out of the dozens it throws on the wall) actually come true.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on April 23, 2017, 04:10:58 am
Though, this is even better. (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/the-plot-against-europe/) In theory, I should welcome a lot of these events, but it's just so hilariously overblown. It's even funnier then that book-turned-script John reported on once, one where Mexico exceeds China. I'm keeping this in my bookmarks, as I'm genuinely interested as to how many events (out of the dozens it throws on the wall) actually come true.

So far, one thing is already factually incorrect: the latest British election is 1.5 months away, rather then in 2020. I should hope their predicted outcome comes true regardless: indeed that was why I hoped for Brexit at the time. However, I severely overestimated UK Labour's competence back then, and their victory of any kind is ludicrously unlikely right now.

Of course, French election is the one people care about right now. While my sympathies there shouldn't come as a surprise (viva Melenchon!), the outcome is notoriously difficult to predict at this point. Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that Fillon is going to be the Trump equivalent: not in terms of politics (he's more like Ryan or Pence), but in terms of being a scandal-ridden candidate whose support is consistently underestimated in the polls, yet is the most diehard one of all. I dearly hope I'm wrong about this, since I find him the worst option by far, but the possibility sits too close for comfort.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on April 23, 2017, 07:15:11 pm
Though, this is even better. (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/the-plot-against-europe/) In theory, I should welcome a lot of these events, but it's just so hilariously overblown. It's even funnier then that book-turned-script John reported on once, one where Mexico exceeds China. I'm keeping this in my bookmarks, as I'm genuinely interested as to how many events (out of the dozens it throws on the wall) actually come true.

So far, one thing is already factually incorrect: the latest British election is 1.5 months away, rather then in 2020. I should hope their predicted outcome comes true regardless: indeed that was why I hoped for Brexit at the time. However, I severely overestimated UK Labour's competence back then, and their victory of any kind is ludicrously unlikely right now.

Of course, French election is the one people care about right now. While my sympathies there shouldn't come as a surprise (viva Melenchon!), the outcome is notoriously difficult to predict at this point. Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that Fillon is going to be the Trump equivalent: not in terms of politics (he's more like Ryan or Pence), but in terms of being a scandal-ridden candidate whose support is consistently underestimated in the polls, yet is the most diehard one of all. I dearly hope I'm wrong about this, since I find him the worst option by far, but the possibility sits too close for comfort.
Well, luckily for you Fillon will not make it to the next round (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/23/french-election-voting-under-way-in-first-round-live).

On the other hand though, the first round results are the US primaries' spiritual successor.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on April 23, 2017, 07:22:58 pm
Though, this is even better. (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/the-plot-against-europe/) In theory, I should welcome a lot of these events, but it's just so hilariously overblown. It's even funnier then that book-turned-script John reported on once, one where Mexico exceeds China. I'm keeping this in my bookmarks, as I'm genuinely interested as to how many events (out of the dozens it throws on the wall) actually come true.
I'm skimming through this right now, and the Breitbart Deutschland part made me chuckle.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on April 24, 2017, 02:06:20 am
Though, this is even better. (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/the-plot-against-europe/) In theory, I should welcome a lot of these events, but it's just so hilariously overblown. It's even funnier then that book-turned-script John reported on once, one where Mexico exceeds China. I'm keeping this in my bookmarks, as I'm genuinely interested as to how many events (out of the dozens it throws on the wall) actually come true.

So far, one thing is already factually incorrect: the latest British election is 1.5 months away, rather then in 2020. I should hope their predicted outcome comes true regardless: indeed that was why I hoped for Brexit at the time. However, I severely overestimated UK Labour's competence back then, and their victory of any kind is ludicrously unlikely right now.

Of course, French election is the one people care about right now. While my sympathies there shouldn't come as a surprise (viva Melenchon!), the outcome is notoriously difficult to predict at this point. Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that Fillon is going to be the Trump equivalent: not in terms of politics (he's more like Ryan or Pence), but in terms of being a scandal-ridden candidate whose support is consistently underestimated in the polls, yet is the most diehard one of all. I dearly hope I'm wrong about this, since I find him the worst option by far, but the possibility sits too close for comfort.
Well, luckily for you Fillon will not make it to the next round (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/23/french-election-voting-under-way-in-first-round-live).

On the other hand though, the first round results are the US primaries' spiritual successor.

I know; in a surprising development, the polls actually got it right this time (given that they missed both Fillon and now-irrelevant successor to Hollande leading their respective parties earlier.) And it's true that this will either make or break Bannon's idea of the nativist tide, or however else he puts it. If Le Pen wins, expect the repeat of "death of liberalism" headlines, etc. If Macron does, alt-right is going to feel quite lonely, as Trump will then remain an aberration, rather then part of a whole trend (since neither British nor German election is going to be anywhere near as favorable to them, and no-one seems to care about Japan, where kids will be taught how to use bayonets, etc. (http://beta.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/japanese-pupils-learn-ancient-art-of-bayonet-ftj86w0j2))

On the other hand, though, this is kind of equivalent to Johnson & McMullin leading the polls two weeks before election: as in, whoever wins o May 7th, they'll have practically nobody in Parliament (Le Pen has 2 people out of 577, one of whom is her niece, Macron has the party he betrayed, but no-one he actually commands.) I honestly find June's parliamentary election more interesting, since there's a very good chance that even victorious Le Pen will end up a paper tiger in gridlocked legislative branch. Moreover, Melenchon's people will certainly try to make their mark, and it'll be quite interesting to see how that goes.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on May 08, 2017, 10:03:09 am
Though, this is even better. (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/the-plot-against-europe/) In theory, I should welcome a lot of these events, but it's just so hilariously overblown. It's even funnier then that book-turned-script John reported on once, one where Mexico exceeds China. I'm keeping this in my bookmarks, as I'm genuinely interested as to how many events (out of the dozens it throws on the wall) actually come true.

So far, one thing is already factually incorrect: the latest British election is 1.5 months away, rather then in 2020. I should hope their predicted outcome comes true regardless: indeed that was why I hoped for Brexit at the time. However, I severely overestimated UK Labour's competence back then, and their victory of any kind is ludicrously unlikely right now.

Of course, French election is the one people care about right now. While my sympathies there shouldn't come as a surprise (viva Melenchon!), the outcome is notoriously difficult to predict at this point. Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that Fillon is going to be the Trump equivalent: not in terms of politics (he's more like Ryan or Pence), but in terms of being a scandal-ridden candidate whose support is consistently underestimated in the polls, yet is the most diehard one of all. I dearly hope I'm wrong about this, since I find him the worst option by far, but the possibility sits too close for comfort.
Well, luckily for you Fillon will not make it to the next round (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/23/french-election-voting-under-way-in-first-round-live).

On the other hand though, the first round results are the US primaries' spiritual successor.

I know; in a surprising development, the polls actually got it right this time (given that they missed both Fillon and now-irrelevant successor to Hollande leading their respective parties earlier.) And it's true that this will either make or break Bannon's idea of the nativist tide, or however else he puts it. If Le Pen wins, expect the repeat of "death of liberalism" headlines, etc. If Macron does, alt-right is going to feel quite lonely, as Trump will then remain an aberration, rather then part of a whole trend (since neither British nor German election is going to be anywhere near as favorable to them, and no-one seems to care about Japan, where kids will be taught how to use bayonets, etc. (http://beta.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/japanese-pupils-learn-ancient-art-of-bayonet-ftj86w0j2))

On the other hand, though, this is kind of equivalent to Johnson & McMullin leading the polls two weeks before election: as in, whoever wins on May 7th, they'll have practically nobody in Parliament (Le Pen has 2 people out of 577, one of whom is her niece, Macron has the party he betrayed, but no-one he actually commands.) I honestly find June's parliamentary election more interesting, since there's a very good chance that even victorious Le Pen will end up a paper tiger in gridlocked legislative branch. Moreover, Melenchon's people will certainly try to make their mark, and it'll be quite interesting to see how that goes.

So, yeah, the domino did not fall. I largely anticipated this, since it's more proof to what I long suspected: that history does not actually move in cohesive waves because any strong development sparks backlash, and so this "far/alt-right" wave seems to have petered out about as quickly as "Arab Spring" did 6 years ago. And given that British election seems even less likely to deliver their projected result (in local elections few days ago, government gained a lot, main opposition lost half their councils, & Trump's friends in UKIP lost basically everybody) it seems like we can safely throw that whole projection in the bin.

I wonder how much Bannon and co. are disappointed now, though, if at all. On one hand, they are basically isolated. On the other hand, they did build up some impressive structures in the meantime  (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy)that'll keep affecting both UK and US.

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/108bfed583ac3f3f06fb7da9eab52c8f8fa6c410/0_0_3712_2779/master/3712.jpg?w=800&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=5f6f785c8f44e6cba4cedbfc059ea88a)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 09, 2017, 06:39:04 pm
James Comey has been fired (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/comey-misstated-key-clinton-email-evidence-at-hearing-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/05/09/074c1c7e-34bd-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html).

Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: JakeVoronkov on May 12, 2017, 09:11:58 pm
We're ****. There is no hope for us as a species.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on May 31, 2017, 07:24:06 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/6STV4l3.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Frankie on June 01, 2017, 09:55:33 pm
Trump backing out of the Paris Accord sealed the deal.

A retard is running our country. A very dangerous retard.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on June 01, 2017, 10:10:19 pm

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/108bfed583ac3f3f06fb7da9eab52c8f8fa6c410/0_0_3712_2779/master/3712.jpg?w=800&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=5f6f785c8f44e6cba4cedbfc059ea88a)

Also, while I like charts like this, I don't think they ever give enough information. Just drawing a line between two things tells me nothing; I want to know what the relationship is. Here's my attempt at a broader map of the scandal (work in progress). (https://i.imgur.com/7munVwm.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on June 01, 2017, 10:22:27 pm
"I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." - One of the top 3 dumbest Trump quotes

It's like he thinks the accords only benefit Paris. Jesus...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on June 21, 2017, 02:27:05 pm
BREAKING NEWS: ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF TRUMP ASKING FOR COMEY'S LOYALTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HW0j13EvTg
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on June 21, 2017, 02:28:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HW0j13EvTg
I still can't believe this exists... and that a major Hollywood studio had no questions or issues with it...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on July 20, 2017, 01:57:04 am
Trump's presidency is making even Donny Jr. and Eric miserable. (https://t.co/4RiHeDo1qi?amp=1)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on July 21, 2017, 01:10:57 pm
Sean Spicer has bailed (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/us/politics/sean-spicer-resigns-as-white-house-press-secretary.html).

It was an inevitable development, but I feel oddly and mildly bummed about this. Yeah, he clearly wasn't the most qualified for his job but he was entertaining.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on July 31, 2017, 03:03:35 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on July 31, 2017, 03:06:11 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)

Trump goes through advisers like Hogwarts goes through Defense Against the Dark Arts teachers.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on July 31, 2017, 03:13:06 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)
As much as I try not to laugh at this administration due to the consequences of the whole thing, that's hilarious. Dude started working in the White House like a week ago.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on July 31, 2017, 03:16:18 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)
As much as I try not to laugh at this administration due to the consequences of the whole thing, that's hilarious. Dude started working in the White House like a week ago.

It's funny how his life crumbled within that period too.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on July 31, 2017, 03:23:34 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)
As much as I try not to laugh at this administration due to the consequences of the whole thing, that's hilarious. Dude started working in the White House like a week ago.
It's also simultaneously funny and sad for Sean Spicer, since he resigned for nothing (Yeah, he probably would have been fired soon anyway but the poor guy has truly terrible luck).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on July 31, 2017, 03:30:08 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)
As much as I try not to laugh at this administration due to the consequences of the whole thing, that's hilarious. Dude started working in the White House like a week ago.
It's also simultaneously funny and sad for Sean Spicer, since he resigned for nothing (Yeah, he probably would have been fired soon anyway but the poor guy has truly terrible luck).
True, although he's been somewhat vindicated by how terrible Scaramucci turned out to be.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on July 31, 2017, 03:44:13 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)
As much as I try not to laugh at this administration due to the consequences of the whole thing, that's hilarious. Dude started working in the White House like a week ago.

It's funny how his life crumbled within that period too.

Well, there were some hints earlier on (http://www.businessinsider.com/everyone-at-the-salt-conference-was-miserable-2016-5) on his scam conference:

(http://i.imgur.com/TFI3BqZ.png)

I wonder how many of these aspiring 1%ers are still going to show up this year. I know he technically sold the whole company to HNA and so shouldn't be there in the first place, but the deal's not approved yet. I wonder how much that whole thing is even worth to that Chinese buyer now.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on July 31, 2017, 07:14:44 pm
RIP Anthony Scaramucci's job (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/us/politics/anthony-scaramucci-white-house.amp.html)
Damn it, now Mario Cantone can't play him on SNL...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 01, 2017, 01:46:32 pm
At long last, I think he's starting to realize how much he's struggling. Then again, maybe not. (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/892147656319004672)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on August 01, 2017, 06:36:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/0E1IPn5.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 03, 2017, 02:03:53 am
I think the fact that this thread is only three pages long shows tremendous restraint on everyone's part.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on August 14, 2017, 01:58:41 pm
There's not really a logical reason to be surprised by anything like this anymore, but I still find this funny.

After Trump thanked Strange for supporting him and his agenda in the Senate, the president asked the senator what he could do in advance of Tuesday’s election.

“‘Well, Mr. President, whatever you think is appropriate. A tweet wouldn’t be bad,’” Strange said, describing the conversation. “He said, ‘You know, I have 118 million Twitter followers.’ (Trump actually has 35.7 million followers.) I said, ‘I do sir, I know that very well.’”  (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/judge-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-241592)

Though, his opponent, literally saying “They’re that out of touch in Washington that they don’t understand that Alabama people aren’t that out of touch,” is even better.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on August 14, 2017, 02:08:23 pm
There's not really a logical reason to be surprised by anything like this anymore, but I still find this funny.

After Trump thanked Strange for supporting him and his agenda in the Senate, the president asked the senator what he could do in advance of Tuesday’s election.

“‘Well, Mr. President, whatever you think is appropriate. A tweet wouldn’t be bad,’” Strange said, describing the conversation. “He said, ‘You know, I have 118 million Twitter followers.’ (Trump actually has 35.7 million followers.) I said, ‘I do sir, I know that very well.’”  (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/judge-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-241592)

Though, his opponent, literally saying “They’re that out of touch in Washington that they don’t understand that Alabama people aren’t that out of touch,” is even better.
God, I remember when Moore got removed from the Alabama Supreme Court for failing to uphold the legalization of gay marriage. Can't believe people would vote for that imbecile.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on August 15, 2017, 12:56:58 pm
There's not really a logical reason to be surprised by anything like this anymore, but I still find this funny.

After Trump thanked Strange for supporting him and his agenda in the Senate, the president asked the senator what he could do in advance of Tuesday’s election.

“‘Well, Mr. President, whatever you think is appropriate. A tweet wouldn’t be bad,’” Strange said, describing the conversation. “He said, ‘You know, I have 118 million Twitter followers.’ (Trump actually has 35.7 million followers.) I said, ‘I do sir, I know that very well.’”  (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/judge-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-241592)

Though, his opponent, literally saying “They’re that out of touch in Washington that they don’t understand that Alabama people aren’t that out of touch,” is even better.
After reading up on this primary I thought of this post from the Doctor Strange thread:

Could you imagine how much shit this guy put up with when he was a kid?   Like seriously, I would not reproduce if my surname was Strange (and to a lesser extent Vert, but still).  Like they must've called him Stranger Danger or something back in Elementary school. Seriously, I mean, what kinda surname is Strange? 
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: PORG on August 15, 2017, 11:22:26 pm
Gotta say, the events of today have not improved my opinions on this man....
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 15, 2017, 11:43:31 pm
Gotta say, the events of today have not improved my opinions on this man....

Yeah... I was not willing to say he was outright racist before this, but I might have to change my mantra regarding that.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on August 16, 2017, 12:45:55 am
Gotta say, the events of today have not improved my opinions on this man....
For real. John Oliver summed it up pretty well: In his first news conference after the event, Trump was given the chance to condemn people who self-describe themselves as Nazis and didn't do it. How much easier can it be?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: $+/\|_ˇ|\| on August 16, 2017, 05:05:18 am
Gotta say, the events of today have not improved my opinions on this man....

Yeah... I was not willing to say he was outright racist before this, but I might have to change my mantra regarding that.
What? He literally gained momentum by spouting off racist generalizations about Mexicans. He put white supremacists like Bannon, Miller, and Gorka in the White House with him.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on August 16, 2017, 11:00:17 am
Gotta say, the events of today have not improved my opinions on this man....

Yeah... I was not willing to say he was outright racist before this, but I might have to change my mantra regarding that.
What? He literally gained momentum by spouting off racist generalizations about Mexicans. He put white supremacists like Bannon, Miller, and Gorka in the White House with him.

Trump has inspired an entire group of spiteful, racist inbred hillbilly fucks to come out of the shadows.  White people these days are getting bolder and bolder again. 
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 16, 2017, 08:46:56 pm
Gotta say, the events of today have not improved my opinions on this man....

Yeah... I was not willing to say he was outright racist before this, but I might have to change my mantra regarding that.
What? He literally gained momentum by spouting off racist generalizations about Mexicans. He put white supremacists like Bannon, Miller, and Gorka in the White House with him.

I always thought he was just an opportunist who used racial resentment to drum up political support. To call Trump racist is to imply that he has some deeply-held beliefs, which I always thought he was incapable of. The only thing he believes in is himself, and so he will always take the self-serving course. If that means race-baiting, he'll happily walk down that line. He has no convictions whatsoever... which is arguably even more frightening than blatant racism.

Then again, he does have a long history of discriminating against blacks in real estate. But I always assumed that the moment it became politically expedient, he'd start to condemn racism and white supremacy forcefully. The events of these past few days imply that he really does have some convictions. It's just that those convictions are utterly horrifying.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on August 16, 2017, 10:23:23 pm
White supremacist calls other white supremacists awful. (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/steve-bannon-slams-far-guys-collection-clowns-005805966--abc-news-topstories.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on August 16, 2017, 10:25:58 pm
Damn, I finally snapped.  I had been trying to keep my feelings on the Trump presidency ambiguous to align with the persona, but this Charlottesville thing finally pushed me over the edge.  I will always think back to this comment when discussing Trump. 

why is a retard president
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 16, 2017, 10:25:59 pm
White supremacist calls other white supremacists awful. (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/steve-bannon-slams-far-guys-collection-clowns-005805966--abc-news-topstories.html)

That moment when you realize the guy who ran Breitbart came out against Nazis stronger than the president of the United States did.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on August 18, 2017, 01:23:54 pm
White supremacist calls other white supremacists awful. (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/steve-bannon-slams-far-guys-collection-clowns-005805966--abc-news-topstories.html)

That moment when you realize the guy who ran Breitbart came out against Nazis stronger than the president of the United States did.

Maybe he went too hard, lmao. (https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-trump-wants-part-ways-steve-bannon-170026442.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 18, 2017, 01:42:25 pm
White supremacist calls other white supremacists awful. (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/steve-bannon-slams-far-guys-collection-clowns-005805966--abc-news-topstories.html)

That moment when you realize the guy who ran Breitbart came out against Nazis stronger than the president of the United States did.

Maybe he went too hard, lmao. (https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-trump-wants-part-ways-steve-bannon-170026442.html)

These guys have the job security of a second-tier Game of Thrones cast member.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on August 18, 2017, 05:08:40 pm
So...basically the only people Trump listens to at this point are the generals and his family members? Am I getting this right? Everyone else, like Pence or Tillerson, seems practically irrelevant.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 18, 2017, 07:01:38 pm
So...basically the only people Trump listens to at this point are the generals and his family members? Am I getting this right? Everyone else, like Pence or Tillerson, seems practically irrelevant.

I'm not sure Trump has ever listened to anyone, but yes, this is essentially correct. Pence has gone out of his way to avoid getting involved in the kerfuffles of the administration, and Tillerson seems to openly regret ever agreeing to take the job.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on August 19, 2017, 02:16:52 pm
Literally every sentence here (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/18/freedom-caucus-bannon-ally-241798?lo=ap_f1) is gold.

(http://i.imgur.com/B0bBoqv.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on August 19, 2017, 06:43:47 pm
Classic Trump!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHn0CwPXkAEaES_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on August 21, 2017, 04:34:54 pm
LMFAO!!! (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/heres-trump-watching-solar-eclipse-185151752.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 21, 2017, 07:55:35 pm
LMFAO!!! (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/heres-trump-watching-solar-eclipse-185151752.html)

(http://i.imgur.com/epJu3zb.png)

ULTIMATE POWEEEERRR!
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 21, 2017, 07:57:08 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/APo2054.jpg)


*BOOOOSH*
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on August 21, 2017, 08:04:09 pm
LMFAO!!! (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/heres-trump-watching-solar-eclipse-185151752.html)
To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's fine if you look for a second or two. At least I hope so, cause that's what I did.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 22, 2017, 12:10:41 am
Did anyone else watch Trump's speech on Afghanistan tonight? These are essentially my thoughts...

(https://i.imgur.com/x06P94o.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/viVQQWr.gif)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 22, 2017, 08:16:34 pm
I think I've figured out what's been going on with these staff shake-ups lately...

(https://i.imgur.com/bBlKHqo.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on August 23, 2017, 12:12:40 pm
Thoughts from r/The_Donald (discussing his speeches):

(http://i.imgur.com/WC2yVWo.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 23, 2017, 12:40:46 pm
Thoughts from r/The_Donald (discussing his speeches):

(http://i.imgur.com/WC2yVWo.png)

Spoken like someone who has never read Shakespeare.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on August 23, 2017, 01:14:12 pm

Spoken like someone who has never read Shakespeare.
How Shakespeare would talk about the Iran nuclear deal:

“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Frankie on August 23, 2017, 03:38:26 pm
Pretty late but still funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPFiVLYgnw
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on August 25, 2017, 09:43:08 pm
Now Gorka's out. Trump has fired more top advisers in the past month than there are pages in this thread.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 14, 2017, 01:52:04 am
Mueller is apparently beefing up his case, (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/robert-mueller-trump-russia-republicans-investigation-probe-gop-white-house-a7944896.html) while Trump is off making deals with Democrats right and left. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/09/13/trump-top-democrats-agree-to-work-on-deal-to-save-daca/?utm_term=.8d84a5e4eb93) My only hope is that the investigation doesn't tear him down before his own ineptitude does. We cannot have him looking like a martyr.

Still, his approval ratings have gone up since he approved big-government disaster relief in Texas, and they've kept improving after his efforts to reach across the aisle. Knowing how much Trump loves polls, will this encourage him to keep maligning his own party while conceding to the Democrats on key issues? That'd be very interesting...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on September 15, 2017, 02:14:12 pm
Trump making a deal on immigration with Schumer and Pelosi is one of the most surreal things I've ever experienced.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 15, 2017, 02:23:19 pm
Trump making a deal on immigration with Schumer and Pelosi is one of the most surreal things I've ever experienced.

It's not entirely unexpected, though. As I said on the last page of this thread, he has no convictions whatsoever. All he wants is to be remembered as "The Bestest President Ever" and stick it to Obama. Now that his polls have gone up, I think it's safe to say that he might pursue bipartisan solutions with more vigor than before.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on September 15, 2017, 02:55:56 pm
Trump making a deal on immigration with Schumer and Pelosi is one of the most surreal things I've ever experienced.

It's not entirely unexpected, though. As I said on the last page of this thread, he has no convictions whatsoever. All he wants is to be remembered as "The Bestest President Ever" and stick it to Obama. Now that his polls have gone up, I think it's safe to say that he might pursue bipartisan solutions with more vigor than before.
Immigration was the one thing I really thought he would never show any signs of being reasonable on, given his rhetoric throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'm still surprised he started working with the Democrats at all; while I agree that being popular is certainly the most important thing for Trump, I assumed he'd just settle for pleasing his base on everything and remain far right on most issues. I just kinda thought that Trump only considered people who attended his rallies when thinking about policy honestly. Well, the media and polls too but still.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 15, 2017, 03:02:57 pm
Trump making a deal on immigration with Schumer and Pelosi is one of the most surreal things I've ever experienced.

It's not entirely unexpected, though. As I said on the last page of this thread, he has no convictions whatsoever. All he wants is to be remembered as "The Bestest President Ever" and stick it to Obama. Now that his polls have gone up, I think it's safe to say that he might pursue bipartisan solutions with more vigor than before.
Immigration was the one thing I really thought he would never show any signs of being reasonable on, given his rhetoric throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'm still surprised he started working with the Democrats at all; while I agree that being popular is certainly the most important thing for Trump, I assumed he'd just settle for pleasing his base on everything and remain far right on most issues. I just kinda thought that Trump only considered people who attended his rallies when thinking about policy honestly. Well, the media and polls too but still.

Here's an article on the subject that I found pretty hilarious. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/us/trump-schumer-pelosi-daca.html) The implication is essentially that Trump wanted to hang out with his New York buddies, and given that he's donated to Pelosi in the past (I believe), he must've decided that it was a good idea to talk with her and Schumer. Meanwhile, he's calling Ryan a "boy scout" behind his back and saying he hates talking to him, while he seems to openly loathe McConnell.

I'm beginning to get flashbacks to when my state elected Schwarzenegger as governor. After governing as a Republican for a while, he flipped and started leading as a straight-up centrist. He ended up being an okay governor in the end, even though Jerry Brown had to come in and fix the budget problems (though that wasn't entirely Arnold's fault). It remains to be seen whether Trump will fully go that route, but Bannon seems to think it's possible. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-gone-trump-risks-becoming-arnold-schwarzenegger-2-0/)

I'm also pleased that Donny is visiting the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico post-Irma. There aren't any voters there to justify doing such a thing. I still can't stand the guy, but if he continues on the course he's going on now, he may very well end up proving us all wrong.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on September 15, 2017, 03:10:35 pm
Trump making a deal on immigration with Schumer and Pelosi is one of the most surreal things I've ever experienced.

It's not entirely unexpected, though. As I said on the last page of this thread, he has no convictions whatsoever. All he wants is to be remembered as "The Bestest President Ever" and stick it to Obama. Now that his polls have gone up, I think it's safe to say that he might pursue bipartisan solutions with more vigor than before.
Immigration was the one thing I really thought he would never show any signs of being reasonable on, given his rhetoric throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'm still surprised he started working with the Democrats at all; while I agree that being popular is certainly the most important thing for Trump, I assumed he'd just settle for pleasing his base on everything and remain far right on most issues. I just kinda thought that Trump only considered people who attended his rallies when thinking about policy honestly. Well, the media and polls too but still.

Here's an article on the subject that I found pretty hilarious. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/us/trump-schumer-pelosi-daca.html) The implication is essentially that Trump wanted to hang out with his New York buddies, and given that he's donated to Pelosi in the past (I believe), he must've decided that it was a good idea to talk with her and Schumer. Meanwhile, he's calling Ryan a "boy scout" behind his back and saying he hates talking to him, while he seems to openly loathe McConnell.

I'm beginning to get flashbacks to when my state elected Schwarzenegger as governor. After governing as a Republican for a while, he flipped and started leading as a straight-up centrist. He ended up being an okay governor in the end, even though Jerry Brown had to come in and fix the budget problems (though that wasn't entirely Arnold's fault). It remains to be seen whether Trump will fully go that route, but Bannon seems to think it's possible. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-gone-trump-risks-becoming-arnold-schwarzenegger-2-0/)

I'm also pleased that Donny is visiting the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico post-Irma. There aren't any voters there to justify doing such a thing. I still can't stand the guy, but if he continues on the course he's going on now, he may very well end up proving us all wrong.
I saw a similar article about how Trump might relate better to city folk like Schumer and Pelosi than guys from the country like Ryan and McConnell. I agree that the notion is hilarious, and while it would be absolutely ridiculous and unthinkable for anyone else, I can actually see this being true given that it's Trump. For the record, vehemently loathing McConnell is about the only thing I agree with Trump on 100%.

But yeah, while I'm not confident about it, I'd love for Trump to pull a Schwarzenegger and pivot to the center somewhat. Like, I still loathe him overall but the country's at stake and I want him to somehow emerge as a successful leader. I doubt that'll happen, but I hope it does.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 16, 2017, 03:51:47 pm
Visited 4Chan today, as I do whenever Trump does something big, to see what the freaks on /pol/ have to say about their boy. "Amnesty Don" posts are everywhere. Some, however, are staying strong. After Breitbart ran a story about people burning their MAGA hats, one of them referred to it as "Kikebart."

I gotta say... when you think that Breitbart is being run by the global Jewish conspiracy, you're too far gone.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on September 16, 2017, 06:36:50 pm
Trump making a deal on immigration with Schumer and Pelosi is one of the most surreal things I've ever experienced.

It's not entirely unexpected, though. As I said on the last page of this thread, he has no convictions whatsoever. All he wants is to be remembered as "The Bestest President Ever" and stick it to Obama. Now that his polls have gone up, I think it's safe to say that he might pursue bipartisan solutions with more vigor than before.
Immigration was the one thing I really thought he would never show any signs of being reasonable on, given his rhetoric throughout the campaign. Honestly, I'm still surprised he started working with the Democrats at all; while I agree that being popular is certainly the most important thing for Trump, I assumed he'd just settle for pleasing his base on everything and remain far right on most issues. I just kinda thought that Trump only considered people who attended his rallies when thinking about policy honestly. Well, the media and polls too but still.

Here's an article on the subject that I found pretty hilarious. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/us/trump-schumer-pelosi-daca.html) The implication is essentially that Trump wanted to hang out with his New York buddies, and given that he's donated to Pelosi in the past (I believe), he must've decided that it was a good idea to talk with her and Schumer. Meanwhile, he's calling Ryan a "boy scout" behind his back and saying he hates talking to him, while he seems to openly loathe McConnell.

I'm beginning to get flashbacks to when my state elected Schwarzenegger as governor. After governing as a Republican for a while, he flipped and started leading as a straight-up centrist. He ended up being an okay governor in the end, even though Jerry Brown had to come in and fix the budget problems (though that wasn't entirely Arnold's fault). It remains to be seen whether Trump will fully go that route, but Bannon seems to think it's possible. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-gone-trump-risks-becoming-arnold-schwarzenegger-2-0/)

I'm also pleased that Donny is visiting the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico post-Irma. There aren't any voters there to justify doing such a thing. I still can't stand the guy, but if he continues on the course he's going on now, he may very well end up proving us all wrong.
I saw a similar article about how Trump might relate better to city folk like Schumer and Pelosi than guys from the country like Ryan and McConnell. I agree that the notion is hilarious, and while it would be absolutely ridiculous and unthinkable for anyone else, I can actually see this being true given that it's Trump. For the record, vehemently loathing McConnell is about the only thing I agree with Trump on 100%.

But yeah, while I'm not confident about it, I'd love for Trump to pull a Schwarzenegger and pivot to the center somewhat. Like, I still loathe him overall but the country's at stake and I want him to somehow emerge as a successful leader. I doubt that'll happen, but I hope it does.

Do you remember one thing that was said about his polls two years ago, though? "High floor, low ceiling"? Back then, it was wishful speculation he would never get more than 20-30% initial vote and last primary opponent standing would beat him. That interpretation obviously failed, as the true ceiling was ultimately 63 million. The metaphor is still relevant now, though, because if the ceiling are people who would vote him while he's president, the floor are those people who started off with him and wouldn't vote Republican if he isn't. Now, that pool of people clearly falling fast, and he's pissed off Congressional Republicans as well. Hence, I read speculation that if Trump tries being the "centrist President" and keeps going with these deals, Congress Republicans would become the ones most interested in forcing an impeachment, regardless of what is actually found, so that they get Pence in. Only a few of them would have to publicly vote for impeachment, even, since Democrats would obviously all be bound to vote for it by months of previous rhetoric.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 22, 2017, 06:18:16 pm
Another health care bill bites the dust. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/us/politics/mccain-graham-cassidy-health-care.html?mcubz=3) McCain really is one of the last honest politicians. Last night's installment in the Vietnam War series had a segment on his capture; it was really surreal. The contrast between him and someone like Trump is just staggeringly ironic.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on September 27, 2017, 05:07:25 pm
There's not really a logical reason to be surprised by anything like this anymore, but I still find this funny.

After Trump thanked Strange for supporting him and his agenda in the Senate, the president asked the senator what he could do in advance of Tuesday’s election.

“‘Well, Mr. President, whatever you think is appropriate. A tweet wouldn’t be bad,’” Strange said, describing the conversation. “He said, ‘You know, I have 118 million Twitter followers.’ (Trump actually has 35.7 million followers.) I said, ‘I do sir, I know that very well.’”  (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/judge-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-241592)

Though, his opponent, literally saying “They’re that out of touch in Washington that they don’t understand that Alabama people aren’t that out of touch,” is even better.
God, I remember when Moore got removed from the Alabama Supreme Court for failing to uphold the legalization of gay marriage. Can't believe people would vote for that imbecile.

Now seems like a good time to come back to this post.

And speaking of judges (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/27/trump-deportations-immigration-backlog-215649)...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on September 27, 2017, 05:49:25 pm
Kushner registered to vote in my state as a woman. (http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/352654-kushner-registered-to-vote-in-new-york-as-a-female)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on September 28, 2017, 11:35:56 am
There's not really a logical reason to be surprised by anything like this anymore, but I still find this funny.

After Trump thanked Strange for supporting him and his agenda in the Senate, the president asked the senator what he could do in advance of Tuesday’s election.

“‘Well, Mr. President, whatever you think is appropriate. A tweet wouldn’t be bad,’” Strange said, describing the conversation. “He said, ‘You know, I have 118 million Twitter followers.’ (Trump actually has 35.7 million followers.) I said, ‘I do sir, I know that very well.’”  (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/judge-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-241592)

Though, his opponent, literally saying “They’re that out of touch in Washington that they don’t understand that Alabama people aren’t that out of touch,” is even better.
God, I remember when Moore got removed from the Alabama Supreme Court for failing to uphold the legalization of gay marriage. Can't believe people would vote for that imbecile.

Now seems like a good time to come back to this post.

And speaking of judges (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/27/trump-deportations-immigration-backlog-215649)...
I mean, nothing's changed. I still can't believe anyone voted for Moore; if he was preaching the same shit but from a Muslim instead of Christian perspective he wouldn't have gotten one vote. Seriously, the guy's a judge and he believes "the word of God" supersedes the Constitution. What the fuck.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 28, 2017, 11:55:52 am
There's not really a logical reason to be surprised by anything like this anymore, but I still find this funny.

After Trump thanked Strange for supporting him and his agenda in the Senate, the president asked the senator what he could do in advance of Tuesday’s election.

“‘Well, Mr. President, whatever you think is appropriate. A tweet wouldn’t be bad,’” Strange said, describing the conversation. “He said, ‘You know, I have 118 million Twitter followers.’ (Trump actually has 35.7 million followers.) I said, ‘I do sir, I know that very well.’”  (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/judge-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-241592)

Though, his opponent, literally saying “They’re that out of touch in Washington that they don’t understand that Alabama people aren’t that out of touch,” is even better.
God, I remember when Moore got removed from the Alabama Supreme Court for failing to uphold the legalization of gay marriage. Can't believe people would vote for that imbecile.

Now seems like a good time to come back to this post.

And speaking of judges (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/27/trump-deportations-immigration-backlog-215649)...
I mean, nothing's changed. I still can't believe anyone voted for Moore; if he was preaching the same shit but from a Muslim instead of Christian perspective he wouldn't have gotten one vote. Seriously, the guy's a judge and he believes "the word of God" supersedes the Constitution. What the fuck.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".

I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression from me, because I respect religious people and appreciate what they've done for this nation. but their belief systems are absolutely bonkers and incredibly hypocritical and most of them scare the ever-loving shit out of me
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on September 28, 2017, 12:02:38 pm
There's not really a logical reason to be surprised by anything like this anymore, but I still find this funny.

After Trump thanked Strange for supporting him and his agenda in the Senate, the president asked the senator what he could do in advance of Tuesday’s election.

“‘Well, Mr. President, whatever you think is appropriate. A tweet wouldn’t be bad,’” Strange said, describing the conversation. “He said, ‘You know, I have 118 million Twitter followers.’ (Trump actually has 35.7 million followers.) I said, ‘I do sir, I know that very well.’”  (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/judge-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-241592)

Though, his opponent, literally saying “They’re that out of touch in Washington that they don’t understand that Alabama people aren’t that out of touch,” is even better.
God, I remember when Moore got removed from the Alabama Supreme Court for failing to uphold the legalization of gay marriage. Can't believe people would vote for that imbecile.

Now seems like a good time to come back to this post.

And speaking of judges (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/27/trump-deportations-immigration-backlog-215649)...
I mean, nothing's changed. I still can't believe anyone voted for Moore; if he was preaching the same shit but from a Muslim instead of Christian perspective he wouldn't have gotten one vote. Seriously, the guy's a judge and he believes "the word of God" supersedes the Constitution. What the fuck.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".

I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression from me, because I respect religious people and appreciate what they've done for this nation. but their belief systems are absolutely bonkers and incredibly hypocritical and most of them scare the ever-loving shit out of me
Yeah, agreed all the way. It scares me how the religious right seems to have no interest in the idea of separation of church and state. That Sinclair Lewis quote I put above really sums it up well.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 29, 2017, 04:46:01 pm
Tom Price is out. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hhs-secretary-tom-price-fired/) Am I crazy, or did this guy just get fired for doing what Mnuchin (and Trump) have also been doing for the past nine months?

This is the eighth major cabinet member/adviser to get fired so far. If Trump can punch two more holes before January, I think he gets a free sub or something.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on September 29, 2017, 05:42:23 pm
Tom Price is out. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hhs-secretary-tom-price-fired/) Am I crazy, or did this guy just get fired for doing what Mnuchin (and Trump) have also been doing for the past nine months?

This is the eighth major cabinet member/adviser to get fired so far. If Trump can punch two more holes before January, I think he gets a free sub or something.
Yeah, in the pantheon of Trump administration scandals this seems to be really far down the chain for this sort of immediate resignation. Honestly, a waste of $500,000 is incredibly low on the list of things I care about in this administration.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Jeff Gold on September 29, 2017, 05:45:57 pm
Tom Price is out. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hhs-secretary-tom-price-fired/) Am I crazy, or did this guy just get fired for doing what Mnuchin (and Trump) have also been doing for the past nine months?

This is the eighth major cabinet member/adviser to get fired so far. If Trump can punch two more holes before January, I think he gets a free sub or something.
You guys need to calm down about this. He's just filming Celebrity Apprentice Season 16.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 29, 2017, 05:46:02 pm
Tom Price is out. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hhs-secretary-tom-price-fired/) Am I crazy, or did this guy just get fired for doing what Mnuchin (and Trump) have also been doing for the past nine months?

This is the eighth major cabinet member/adviser to get fired so far. If Trump can punch two more holes before January, I think he gets a free sub or something.
Yeah, in the pantheon of Trump administration scandals this seems to be really far down the chain for this sort of immediate resignation. Honestly, a waste of $500,000 is incredibly low on the list of things I care about in this administration.

Say it with me, everyone...

(http://www.printable-alphabets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/printable-alphabet-big-letters-captial-S.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/39/5b/06395b4c8baebeb820d695c6b27b9fc6.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: $+/\|_ˇ|\| on September 29, 2017, 08:48:07 pm
Tom Price is out. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hhs-secretary-tom-price-fired/) Am I crazy, or did this guy just get fired for doing what Mnuchin (and Trump) have also been doing for the past nine months?

This is the eighth major cabinet member/adviser to get fired so far. If Trump can punch two more holes before January, I think he gets a free sub or something.
Yeah, in the pantheon of Trump administration scandals this seems to be really far down the chain for this sort of immediate resignation. Honestly, a waste of $500,000 is incredibly low on the list of things I care about in this administration.

Say it with me, everyone...

(http://www.printable-alphabets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/printable-alphabet-big-letters-captial-S.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/39/5b/06395b4c8baebeb820d695c6b27b9fc6.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/573922178921406465/u8Ozpqi8.jpeg)
SSupermanGoat?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on September 29, 2017, 09:04:36 pm
Tom Price is out. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hhs-secretary-tom-price-fired/) Am I crazy, or did this guy just get fired for doing what Mnuchin (and Trump) have also been doing for the past nine months?

This is the eighth major cabinet member/adviser to get fired so far. If Trump can punch two more holes before January, I think he gets a free sub or something.
Yeah, in the pantheon of Trump administration scandals this seems to be really far down the chain for this sort of immediate resignation. Honestly, a waste of $500,000 is incredibly low on the list of things I care about in this administration.

Say it with me, everyone...

(http://www.printable-alphabets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/printable-alphabet-big-letters-captial-S.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/39/5b/06395b4c8baebeb820d695c6b27b9fc6.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/573922178921406465/u8Ozpqi8.jpeg)
SSupermanGoat?
I saw Shopegoat if we base this upon the Snyder-Goyer visual technique.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 30, 2017, 02:19:26 am
SSupermanGoat?

Close. STerribleFilmFrom2013DirectedByAManChildGoat.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on September 30, 2017, 06:03:32 am
Have you also heard about the 219% tariff on Canadian airplanes Boeing pushed through? Your media didn't seem to cover it that much, but it seems to have pissed off both the Canadians and the British (who have jobs in the Brexit-deciding Ulster at stake) quite a lot.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on September 30, 2017, 06:02:43 pm
Have you also heard about the 219% tariff on Canadian airplanes Boeing pushed through? Your media didn't seem to cover it that much, but it seems to have pissed off both the Canadians and the British (who have jobs in the Brexit-deciding Ulster at stake) quite a lot.

Did someone say trade war?

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/headhuntersholosuite/images/c/cd/Nute_Gunray_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110217034840)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on October 01, 2017, 05:12:12 am
Vader was more machine than man; Clay’s more Pepe the Frog than man now. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/29/clay-travis-alt-right-espn-conservative-liberal-215658)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on October 08, 2017, 02:53:16 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on October 08, 2017, 03:08:33 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)

I stand by my position in this debate. Democrats should know by now that no election is a sure thing.

Also, I'm going to add a poll to this thread...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on October 08, 2017, 03:10:48 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)

I stand by my position in this debate. Democrats should know by now that no election is a sure thing.

Also, I'm going to add a poll to this thread...

No need, fam.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on October 08, 2017, 03:15:44 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)

I stand by my position in this debate. Democrats should know by now that no election is a sure thing.

Also, I'm going to add a poll to this thread...

No need, fam.

Damn you. I had to redo the whole poll.

I will reset this every time someone new gets fired.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on October 08, 2017, 03:55:01 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)

I stand by my position in this debate. Democrats should know by now that no election is a sure thing.

Also, I'm going to add a poll to this thread...

No need, fam.

Damn you. I had to redo the whole poll.

I will reset this every time someone new gets fired.

Isn't it literally impossible to fire Pence? Anyway, I used to think that after Bannon and Gorka went in quick succession, Kelly might throw out Miller for a white supremacist hat trick, but so far, he's hanging on. I understand vote for Tillerson, but apparently, Mattis and Mnuchin pledged to resign alongside him, and vice versa (either that, or I'm mistaking him with Cohn, or someone else like that). All in all, I'll go with "Other".
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on October 08, 2017, 08:02:25 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)

I stand by my position in this debate. Democrats should know by now that no election is a sure thing.

Also, I'm going to add a poll to this thread...

No need, fam.

Damn you. I had to redo the whole poll.

I will reset this every time someone new gets fired.

Isn't it literally impossible to fire Pence? Anyway, I used to think that after Bannon and Gorka went in quick succession, Kelly might throw out Miller for a white supremacist hat trick, but so far, he's hanging on. I understand vote for Tillerson, but apparently, Mattis and Mnuchin pledged to resign alongside him, and vice versa (either that, or I'm mistaking him with Cohn, or someone else like that). All in all, I'll go with "Other".

I see no reason to believe that this suicide pact will hold. Mnuchin might quit, but Mattis has a real sense of devotion to this country. He would not want to leave and let the White House fall into disrepair behind him. He's the last adult left standing in this administration.

Edit: Also, he cannot fire Pence. But if you recall, he didn't fire several of the people listed here. He merely forced them to quit through bullying/making their jobs difficult.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on October 09, 2017, 03:05:06 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)

I stand by my position in this debate. Democrats should know by now that no election is a sure thing.

Also, I'm going to add a poll to this thread...

No need, fam.

Damn you. I had to redo the whole poll.

I will reset this every time someone new gets fired.

Isn't it literally impossible to fire Pence? Anyway, I used to think that after Bannon and Gorka went in quick succession, Kelly might throw out Miller for a white supremacist hat trick, but so far, he's hanging on. I understand vote for Tillerson, but apparently, Mattis and Mnuchin pledged to resign alongside him, and vice versa (either that, or I'm mistaking him with Cohn, or someone else like that). All in all, I'll go with "Other".

I see no reason to believe that this suicide pact will hold. Mnuchin might quit, but Mattis has a real sense of devotion to this country. He would not want to leave and let the White House fall into disrepair behind him. He's the last adult left standing in this administration.

Edit: Also, he cannot fire Pence. But if you recall, he didn't fire several of the people listed here. He merely forced them to quit through bullying/making their jobs difficult.

Well, here's another development in this story. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/09/tom-cotton-senate-trump-whisperer-215692) Apparently, Corker used to be thought of in the same way as Mattis, and we can see it didn't work out. Moreover, Cotton is in position for a job, and he openly taunted both Mattis and Tillerson to resign.

Also, Pence, has, if anything, gotten closer to him now. In fact, here's his chief of staff wanting to throw out all the non-MAGA Republicans from Congress. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/03/purge-anti-trump-republicans-nick-ayers-243416)

Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on October 09, 2017, 07:01:35 pm
Something reminiscent of a (different) long-standing argument between Caleb and Diego. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487)

I stand by my position in this debate. Democrats should know by now that no election is a sure thing.

Also, I'm going to add a poll to this thread...

No need, fam.

Damn you. I had to redo the whole poll.

I will reset this every time someone new gets fired.

Isn't it literally impossible to fire Pence? Anyway, I used to think that after Bannon and Gorka went in quick succession, Kelly might throw out Miller for a white supremacist hat trick, but so far, he's hanging on. I understand vote for Tillerson, but apparently, Mattis and Mnuchin pledged to resign alongside him, and vice versa (either that, or I'm mistaking him with Cohn, or someone else like that). All in all, I'll go with "Other".

I see no reason to believe that this suicide pact will hold. Mnuchin might quit, but Mattis has a real sense of devotion to this country. He would not want to leave and let the White House fall into disrepair behind him. He's the last adult left standing in this administration.

Edit: Also, he cannot fire Pence. But if you recall, he didn't fire several of the people listed here. He merely forced them to quit through bullying/making their jobs difficult.

Well, here's another development in this story. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/09/tom-cotton-senate-trump-whisperer-215692) Apparently, Corker used to be thought of in the same way as Mattis, and we can see it didn't work out. Moreover, Cotton is in position for a job, and he openly taunted both Mattis and Tillerson to resign.

Also, Pence, has, if anything, gotten closer to him now. In fact, here's his chief of staff wanting to throw out all the non-MAGA Republicans from Congress. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/03/purge-anti-trump-republicans-nick-ayers-243416)



Well, it's not like Corker outright quit or anything. And Pence may be in Trump's good graces now, but I expect this poll will be active for some time...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on October 28, 2017, 01:59:07 am
Okay, guys... who's it gonna be? (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html) I say Manafort.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on October 30, 2017, 08:57:10 pm
Okay, guys... who's it gonna be? (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html) I say Manafort.

Come on. A little credit.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on October 31, 2017, 12:21:57 am
Okay, guys... who's it gonna be? (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html) I say Manafort.

Come on. A little credit.
Ay props. Although to be fair, he was taken down for stuff unrelated to the campaign. Still a good call though.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 07, 2017, 11:05:45 pm
Lard Boy = out. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-christie-new-jersey-governor-disgruntled-voter-video/)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on November 08, 2017, 01:16:35 pm
Wow, Democrats' performance in Virginia was astonishingly strong. I'm interested to see how much this is an indication of 2018 midterm voter preference/turnout versus a fluke based on a state that Trump is particularly unpopular in.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on November 08, 2017, 04:53:22 pm
Wow, Democrats' performance in Virginia was astonishingly strong. I'm interested to see how much this is an indication of 2018 midterm voter preference/turnout versus a fluke based on a state that Trump is particularly unpopular in.

What I find funny is that their previous Governor, McAuliffe, was often mocked during his race even by the more establishment Democrat pundits. Literally the first thing I heard about him (and Virginia's politics) was when he had been described as "walking punchline to everything wrong with Clintonism," etc. in the Atlantic, I think. (This was to mock Republicans' guy for losing to him regardless.) Now, of course, he's got an objectively superior record than what Hillary does.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 10, 2017, 12:00:18 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on November 10, 2017, 01:52:50 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 10, 2017, 02:46:45 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.

This loathsome child-fucking zealot fanatic is the absolute bottom of the barrel for this country. And he'll probably get elected anyway.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on November 10, 2017, 03:13:13 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.

This loathsome child-fucking zealot fanatic is the absolute bottom of the barrel for this country. And he'll probably get elected anyway.
I cannot imagine a worse candidate for office. The dude was a fucking judge and said that the "law of God" was above the Constitution (his justification for telling clerks not to give same sex couples marriage licenses).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on November 10, 2017, 03:37:56 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.

It reminded me of a quote on Christian rock I saw the other day on Quora: "You are not making Christianity better, you are just making rock n' roll worse!" It's basically the same thing but in reverse; they have not made anything Moore did look any better, but they did make the Bible and Christianity look a lot worse. If anything, they just threw away what used to be a powerful talking point against Islam - the whole Aisha's age thing is now something Christians can hardly employ anymore.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 10, 2017, 03:53:13 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.

It reminded me of a quote on Christian rock I saw the other day on Quora: "You are not making Christianity better, you are just making rock n' roll worse!" It's basically the same thing but in reverse; they have not made anything Moore did look any better, but they did make the Bible and Christianity look a lot worse. If anything, they just threw away what used to be a powerful talking point against Islam - the whole Aisha's age thing is now something Christians can hardly employ anymore.

I was literally just thinking of that. Muhammad was a pedo, but I guess that's okay now. I am so sick of Christian fundies pretending that they're any different from Muslim fundies.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: The One Who Lurks on November 10, 2017, 05:20:26 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.

It reminded me of a quote on Christian rock I saw the other day on Quora: "You are not making Christianity better, you are just making rock n' roll worse!" It's basically the same thing but in reverse; they have not made anything Moore did look any better, but they did make the Bible and Christianity look a lot worse. If anything, they just threw away what used to be a powerful talking point against Islam - the whole Aisha's age thing is now something Christians can hardly employ anymore.

I was literally just thinking of that. Muhammad was a pedo, but I guess that's okay now. I am so sick of Christian fundies pretending that they're any different from Muslim fundies.

To their credit, I can't think of any Christian fundies that've rammed a jet into a skyscraper.  So they've got that going for them.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on November 10, 2017, 06:58:19 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.

This loathsome child-fucking zealot fanatic is the absolute bottom of the barrel for this country. And he'll probably get elected anyway.
I cannot imagine a worse candidate for office. The dude was a fucking judge and said that the "law of God" was above the Constitution (his justification for telling clerks not to give same sex couples marriage licenses).
If you were forced to vote for either him or Ted Cruz, assuming no one else was on the ballot, who would you choose?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on November 10, 2017, 09:10:30 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
Oh my god, hearing some Alabama party officials trying to rationalize Moore's behavior through the Bible was either depressing, embarrassing or hilarious and I'm not sure which.

This loathsome child-fucking zealot fanatic is the absolute bottom of the barrel for this country. And he'll probably get elected anyway.
I cannot imagine a worse candidate for office. The dude was a fucking judge and said that the "law of God" was above the Constitution (his justification for telling clerks not to give same sex couples marriage licenses).
If you were forced to vote for either him or Ted Cruz, assuming no one else was on the ballot, who would you choose?
Truly, I don't know. From what I know about each, they're both so unbelievably awful that I'd have to delve into the in depth positions of either (study their tax plans and such).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 11, 2017, 12:08:36 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on November 11, 2017, 12:15:09 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 11, 2017, 12:20:12 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on November 11, 2017, 12:27:23 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 11, 2017, 12:42:22 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800) I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on November 11, 2017, 01:01:00 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800) I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.

Quote
“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”
I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.
Del Signore was surprised to hear this.
“Does he?” he said.
“Yes,” I said.
He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”
Quote
Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”

The quotes above really highlights the fact that these Trump supporters have absolutely no clue what is going on in his presidency.  Many pundits have pretty much all believed that Trump's election was nothing more than a pushback by the American Midwest.  Very similar to how Nixon's presidency was a reaction to the left pushing hard for their candidate.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 11, 2017, 01:11:23 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800) I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.

Quote
“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”
I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.
Del Signore was surprised to hear this.
“Does he?” he said.
“Yes,” I said.
He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”
Quote
Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”

The quotes above really highlights the fact that these Trump supporters have absolutely no clue what is going on in his presidency.  Many pundits have pretty much all believed that Trump's election was nothing more than a pushback by the American Midwest.  Very similar to how Nixon's presidency was a reaction to the left pushing hard for their candidate.

It's really shocking how uninformed they are. But if they were just ignorant, I'd still manage to be optimistic. The fact that they outright stated that they like Trump as a person, and will continue to support him for that reason alone, is absolutely nutto. I understand voting for someone you dislike simply because you have hope for their policies, but to vote based on character, and to then vote for Trump of all people, really drives home how dumb these motherfuckers are. It's like voting for Clinton because of her charisma. Or Bernie for his speaking voice.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on November 11, 2017, 01:45:46 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800) I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.
Oh my god, I read that article today and reading that one dude say that he was glad to be rid of Obama because he "took weekend off and just played golf" honestly made me embarrassed to be a citizen of this country (of course, the guy went on to say he watched Fox News 99% of the time and, while he would occasionally flip to CNN, he'd soon go back because CNN=fake news obviously). That type of pure ignorance and stupidity is simply impossible to deal with. Like, I know you guys give me shit for being quite liberal sometimes, but the current Republican party and its supporters really give me no choice.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 11, 2017, 01:55:25 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800) I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.
Oh my god, I read that article today and reading that one dude say that he was glad to be rid of Obama because he "took weekend off and just played golf" honestly made me embarrassed to be a citizen of this country (of course, the guy went on to say he watched Fox News 99% of the time and, while he would occasionally flip to CNN, he'd soon go back because CNN=fake news obviously). That type of pure ignorance and stupidity is simply impossible to deal with. Like, I know you guys give me shit for being quite liberal sometimes, but the current Republican party and its supporters really give me no choice.

I know. I hate the Democrats, but this is bigger than simple politics at this point. If Roy Moore wins in December, this country will once again be massively embarrassed on the national stage. The libtards need to trounce this guy. I even found myself actively rooting for the Democratic candidates to win in Virginia and New Jersey, which is something my disillusioned 2016 self would never have given a shit about.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on November 11, 2017, 06:55:38 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800) I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.

Quote
“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”
I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.
Del Signore was surprised to hear this.
“Does he?” he said.
“Yes,” I said.
He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”
Quote
Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”

The quotes above really highlights the fact that these Trump supporters have absolutely no clue what is going on in his presidency.  Many pundits have pretty much all believed that Trump's election was nothing more than a pushback by the American Midwest.  Very similar to how Nixon's presidency was a reaction to the left pushing hard for their candidate.

So, this piece is a follow-up to the one I linked to last year. You can see one of my predictions came right - Trump did finish off the American Dream for them, as they realized that place would never improve. The only thing that can change situation there now is a full state intervention of the kind we established, and China continues to perfect - buying off the mines from the owners at a state-enforced price, in parallel a establishing a wind turbine plant and such to offset the losses, encourage internal migration of labour to fill in skills gap mentioned there, as well as going for a concurrent drug crackdown.

It dovetails with the quotes from the previous article Diego linked, showing that Chinese system continues to prove its efficacy in ensuring there's enough of a planet for us to have this political debate on. That woman was actually almost right with her later assertions, though she put the cart before the horse - in fact, it's the stupidity and denialism of her administration and fellow travelers that does the most in laying the groundwork for the next International. The faster thermostat rises now, the more extreme measures people will adopt to halt it later, and the less compatible with the "free markets" they'll be. (At somewhere between 3 and 5 C, the whole international market economic system may well go in the bin, as the supply chains for too many goods will end up inoperable.) That is why I feel no concern for the future of Communism - whether in the Chinese definition of it, or more traditional forms, like modern Cuba or Kadar's Hungary. The difference between the hurricane recovery on Cuba and hurricane recovery on Puerto Rico is simply a glimpse of the things to come.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on November 11, 2017, 07:28:14 am
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/kfile-kathleen-hartnett-white-paganism/index.html)

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800) I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.

Quote
“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”
I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.
Del Signore was surprised to hear this.
“Does he?” he said.
“Yes,” I said.
He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”
Quote
Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”

The quotes above really highlights the fact that these Trump supporters have absolutely no clue what is going on in his presidency.  Many pundits have pretty much all believed that Trump's election was nothing more than a pushback by the American Midwest.  Very similar to how Nixon's presidency was a reaction to the left pushing hard for their candidate.

So, this piece is a follow-up to the one I linked to last year. You can see one of my predictions came right - Trump did finish off the American Dream for them, as they realized that place would never improve. The only thing that can change situation there now is a full state intervention of the kind we established, and China continues to perfect - buying off the mines from the owners at a state-enforced price, in parallel a establishing a wind turbine plant and such to offset the losses, encourage internal migration of labour to fill in skills gap mentioned there, as well as going for a concurrent drug crackdown.

It dovetails with the quotes from the previous article Diego linked, showing that Chinese system continues to prove its efficacy in ensuring there's enough of a planet for us to have this political debate on. That woman was actually almost right with her later assertions, though she put the cart before the horse - in fact, it's the stupidity and denialism of her administration and fellow travelers that does the most in laying the groundwork for the next International. The faster thermostat rises now, the more extreme measures people will adopt to halt it later, and the less compatible with the "free markets" they'll be. (At somewhere between 3 and 5 C, the whole international market economic system may well go in the bin, as the supply chains for too many goods will end up inoperable.) That is why I feel no concern for the future of Communism - whether in the Chinese definition of it, or more traditional forms, like modern Cuba or Kadar's Hungary. The difference between the hurricane recovery on Cuba and hurricane recovery on Puerto Rico is simply a glimpse of the things to come.


In the short term, though, nothing of the kind will happen, because it seems these people are not that relevant. I hardly like the corporatist Vox, with their glib approach and loose relationship with truth (calling Erdogan pro-Assad after he got his referendum through was almost hilarious), but I do think this piece (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/10/16625308/trump-supporters-2020-polls) hit on something important when it mentioned that 80% of people who first voted for Hoover then voted for him again, in spite of the Great Depression, but that obviously didn't make his loss to FDR any less crushing. I would say this Guardian article (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/26/no-regrets-one-year-after-they-voted-for-trump-has-he-delivered) is a little more relevant: it's from their equivalent series where they interview people from another Pennsylvania region, which has voted twice for Obama then flipped to Trump (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northampton_County,_Pennsylvania#Government), while the county in the Politico piece is  more Republican (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambria_County,_Pennsylvania#Law_and_government) and has only half the population. There, you have more doubts amongst respondents, and more balance. (You have to admit that Politico piece could have been ended in a bunch of different ways, and choosing to quote a racial slur at the very end was a calculated move to provoke your disgust.)

Lastly, about the religious stuff. Here's an interesting defence (https://www.quora.com/How-would-the-Founding-Fathers-view-any-political-leader-who-puts-the-Bible-above-the-Constitution/answer/Bryce-Ebeling) of Moore's views on God over Constitution. Well, "interesting" in the same way as that other defence of him: it doesn't change my view on separation of church and state, obviously, but it does seem to highlight a side of your founders many would now gloss over.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on November 11, 2017, 11:25:21 pm
By sheer law of averages, he had to get something right. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/359730-trump-thinks-scientology-should-lose-its-tax-exempt-status)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on November 15, 2017, 10:27:56 am
Trump just got sentenced to death for mocking Kim Jong-un. (http://ir.net/news/politics/128185/president-donald-trump-just-sentenced-death-insulting-kim-jong-un/)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on November 24, 2017, 10:21:38 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on November 24, 2017, 10:46:45 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on November 24, 2017, 10:50:33 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on November 24, 2017, 11:08:02 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I guess that's fair. I try to evaluate whoever might have the largest amount of influence over the general state of the world with regards to my pick, so as of now I'd be tentatively picking either Mohammed bin-Salman (what with all the potential he has to shake up the Middle East) or potentially Xi Jinping (since he's probably China's most notable leader since Mao/Deng Xiaoping).

Though, if we're going more for the moral/ethical basis for the title then perhaps Mueller may be the way to go. That said there may be more options than those who were included in the poll.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on November 25, 2017, 01:50:02 am
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I guess that's fair. I try to evaluate whoever might have the largest amount of influence over the general state of the world with regards to my pick, so as of now I'd be tentatively picking either Mohammed bin-Salman (what with all the potential he has to shake up the Middle East) or potentially Xi Jinping (since he's probably China's most notable leader since Mao/Deng Xiaoping).

Though, if we're going more for the moral/ethical basis for the title then perhaps Mueller may be the way to go. That said there may be more options than those who were included in the poll.

John how many of those linked tweets did you read? I know that established journalists at places like Politico have been reduced to Mueller fanfiction, but do you really think potentially jailing 3 people with no actual policy impact warrants the global title? Once it finishes, then yes, 2018 Nomination may be perfectly open and available. Otherwise, meh.

Kashmir's picks are clearly better. Xi would certainly be a great choice, given he just passed the halfway point with flying colors and China is winning in general. I am not too sure about Salman: he jailed a bunch of people, sure, but what next? Again, I think it would make more sense for them to wait for next year. Otherwise, they risk a repeat of the 2012 issue: the cover was given to Obama, but one of their secondary nominees (there are 4-5 other people who do not make it to cover, but are still honored) was given to Morsi. Given that he was thrown out of power next year, and is now in jail and may theoretically be executed, that choice now seems truly hilarious. I wouldn't discount the chances of something similar happening with Salman.

Perhaps it's bias showing, but Rouhani would a more solid pick, for cover or for the secondaries. He got re-elected with increased mandate, he signed a whole lot of substantial deals with us and EU countries, and their regional influence had only grown. I have sympathy for the Kurds, but the way his top general completely declawed their state with little bloodshed was masterful.

EDIT: I forgot that movements and concepts can also get the cover (i.e. they had "Young People" once, and something to do with technology as well). As such, I am certain #MeToo will be in the issue, even if not necessarily on the cover.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on November 25, 2017, 11:29:32 am
John how many of those linked tweets did you read? I know that established journalists at places like Politico have been reduced to Mueller fanfiction, but do you really think potentially jailing 3 people with no actual policy impact warrants the global title? Once it finishes, then yes, 2018 Nomination may be perfectly open and available. Otherwise, meh.

Kashmir's picks are clearly better. Xi would certainly be a great choice, given he just passed the halfway point with flying colors and China is winning in general. I am not too sure about Salman: he jailed a bunch of people, sure, but what next? Again, I think it would make more sense for them to wait for next year. Otherwise, they risk a repeat of the 2012 issue: the cover was given to Obama, but one of their secondary nominees (there are 4-5 other people who do not make it to cover, but are still honored) was given to Morsi. Given that he was thrown out of power next year, and is now in jail and may theoretically be executed, that choice now seems truly hilarious. I wouldn't discount the chances of something similar happening with Salman.

Perhaps it's bias showing, but Rouhani would a more solid pick, for cover or for the secondaries. He got re-elected with increased mandate, he signed a whole lot of substantial deals with us and EU countries, and their regional influence had only grown. I have sympathy for the Kurds, but the way his top general completely declawed their state with little bloodshed was masterful.

EDIT: I forgot that movements and concepts can also get the cover (i.e. they had "Young People" once, and something to do with technology as well). As such, I am certain #MeToo will be in the issue, even if not necessarily on the cover.
Rouhani would also be an interesting pick given his achievements and reelection. That said I'm not sure how likely the chances of him regaining a finalist position on this year's list is given that he was a runner up in 2015.

While nothing's set in stone yet I wouldn't be surprised if some of the finalists ended up being Jinping, Trump, the #MeToo movement, either Macron or Salman, Taylor Swift, and maybe Bannon, or one of the tech moguls listed (Zuckerberg/Bezos). Not too sure about the last pick.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on November 25, 2017, 11:43:29 am
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0611100/) or another obscure actress (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm2845248/) respectively.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on November 25, 2017, 11:56:38 am
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0611100/) or another obscure actress (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm2845248/) respectively.

Richard Mueller is a famous physicist.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on November 25, 2017, 01:48:15 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0611100/) or another obscure actress (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm2845248/) respectively.

Richard Mueller is a famous physicist.
True, but isn't his surname spelled 'Muller'?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on November 25, 2017, 01:58:32 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0611100/) or another obscure actress (http://m.imdb.com/name/nm2845248/) respectively.

Richard Mueller is a famous physicist.
True, but isn't his surname spelled 'Muller'?

Just google'd it and u right.  Guy's a genius.  One of my professors actually took some classes under him.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on November 26, 2017, 06:09:36 pm
Trump misses his old life. (https://t.co/9xuVxJWrME)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Jeff Gold on November 26, 2017, 06:12:16 pm
Trump misses his old life. (https://t.co/9xuVxJWrME)
:( Let's pray he goes back to it real soon.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on November 26, 2017, 06:24:23 pm
Trump misses his old life. (https://t.co/9xuVxJWrME)

I predicted this.  I have the best predictions in all of the Oasis.  Trump is a weak minded person.  SAD.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Jeff Gold on November 26, 2017, 06:57:34 pm
Trump misses his old life. (https://t.co/9xuVxJWrME)

I predicted this.  I have the best predictions in all of the Oasis. Trump is a weak minded person.  SAD.
This part is very true.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on November 29, 2017, 08:41:40 pm
Trump misses his old life. (https://t.co/9xuVxJWrME)

I predicted this.  I have the best predictions in all of the Oasis. Trump is a weak minded person.  SAD.
This part is very true.

Maybe I should drop everything and become a fortune teller.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 01, 2017, 11:45:22 am
I'm sure it's nothing. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on December 03, 2017, 10:58:28 pm
Billy Bush here to tell us what we’ve known since fucking 2016. (https://mobile.twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/937490303090593794)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on December 04, 2017, 11:31:29 pm
While nothing's set in stone yet I wouldn't be surprised if some of the finalists ended up being Jinping, Trump, the #MeToo movement, either Macron or Salman, Taylor Swift, and maybe Bannon, or one of the tech moguls listed (Zuckerberg/Bezos). Not too sure about the last pick.
Now that the shortlist for this year's title has arrived (http://time.com/5045719/time-person-of-the-year-2017-shortlist/) I see that I've been decently prescient, though I forgot to include more people since I based my prediction number on the five or six slots they allot on the actual magazine. Still leaning with Jinping to get the title though cases could be made for the #MeToo movement or one of the other world leaders included (but not POTUS since they reserve that for every election cycle and very specific critical junctures).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on December 09, 2017, 07:08:39 pm
He drinks 12 Diet Cokes a day. (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-drinks-12-diet-coke-watch-tv-cable-news-2017-12)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on December 09, 2017, 07:30:58 pm
He drinks 12 Diet Cokes a day. (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-drinks-12-diet-coke-watch-tv-cable-news-2017-12)
The real question is how he's able to watch 8 hours of TV a day (as the story also claims).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on December 09, 2017, 07:46:22 pm
He drinks 12 Diet Cokes a day. (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-drinks-12-diet-coke-watch-tv-cable-news-2017-12)
The real question is how he's able to watch 8 hours of TV a day (as the story also claims).

uh turn on the tv and look at the screen.  not too hard, kale.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 09, 2017, 09:14:06 pm
He drinks 12 Diet Cokes a day. (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-drinks-12-diet-coke-watch-tv-cable-news-2017-12)
The real question is how he's able to watch 8 hours of TV a day (as the story also claims).

He should be using that time for something productive. Like pirating movies.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on December 12, 2017, 08:49:48 am
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
So are we going to try to predict this election, or is it today's elephant in the room?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 12, 2017, 11:04:26 am
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
So are we going to try to predict this election, or is it today's elephant in the room?

It's Moore.

And it's not gonna be close, either.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on December 12, 2017, 02:04:32 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
So are we going to try to predict this election, or is it today's elephant in the room?

It's Moore.

And it's not gonna be close, either.
Yeah, I have less than zero faith in Alabama. I think Moore wins by like 7 points.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 12, 2017, 03:43:46 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
So are we going to try to predict this election, or is it today's elephant in the room?

It's Moore.

And it's not gonna be close, either.
Yeah, I have less than zero faith in Alabama. I think Moore wins by like 7 points.

At least he's good with kids. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politics/girl-interviews-roy-moore/index.html)

I hate this scum-sucking maggot shit state. No matter how moist their biscuits are.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on December 12, 2017, 03:45:02 pm
Gutter trash. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/white-house-roy-moore-donald-trump/index.html)
So are we going to try to predict this election, or is it today's elephant in the room?

It's Moore.

And it's not gonna be close, either.
Yeah, I have less than zero faith in Alabama. I think Moore wins by like 7 points.

At least he's good with kids. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politics/girl-interviews-roy-moore/index.html)

I hate this scum-sucking maggot shit state. No matter how moist their biscuits are.

you like moist biscuits?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 12, 2017, 09:05:41 pm
Watching these results come in is disappointing, though not unexpected.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on December 12, 2017, 10:00:34 pm
Watching these results come in is disappointing, though not unexpected.
It's essentially tied right now...

Edit: Jones is in the lead.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 12, 2017, 10:02:13 pm
Watching these results come in is disappointing, though not unexpected.
It's essentially tied right now...

Stop with your false hope.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Jeff Gold on December 12, 2017, 10:02:53 pm
Nice couple at work named Moore and Jones. They're getting married soon. I wish them well.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on December 12, 2017, 10:04:56 pm
Nice couple at work named Moore and Jones. They're getting married soon. I wish them well.

Have you ever been knocked unconscious?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Jeff Gold on December 12, 2017, 10:06:23 pm
Nice couple at work named Moore and Jones. They're getting married soon. I wish them well.

Have you ever been knocked unconscious?
No sir.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on December 12, 2017, 10:08:59 pm
Watching these results come in is disappointing, though not unexpected.
It's essentially tied right now...

Stop with your false hope.
(https://moseisleychronicles.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/46.gif)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on December 12, 2017, 10:14:47 pm
Nice couple at work named Moore and Jones. They're getting married soon. I wish them well.

Have you ever been knocked unconscious?
No sir.

i can't hate you
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on December 12, 2017, 10:19:21 pm
Wow, it's actually looking like Jones is gonna win. My faith in this country is so much higher right now than it was this morning.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 12, 2017, 10:23:11 pm
Wow, it's actually looking like Jones is gonna win. My faith in this country is so much higher right now than it was this morning.

You can thank me later. All of my predictions turn out wrong, so I jinxed this.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on December 12, 2017, 10:26:01 pm
Wow, it's actually looking like Jones is gonna win. My faith in this country is so much higher right now than it was this morning.

You can thank me later. All of my predictions turn out wrong, so I jinxed this.
It just tipped back to Moore's favor according to 538, so you might have jinxed us twice.

Edit: Apparently NPR and Associated Press are reporting that Jones won outright so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 12, 2017, 10:28:43 pm
Wow, it's actually looking like Jones is gonna win. My faith in this country is so much higher right now than it was this morning.

You can thank me later. All of my predictions turn out wrong, so I jinxed this.
It just tipped back to Moore's favor according to 538, so you might have jinxed us twice.

Edit: Apparently some sources are reporting that Jones won so I'm not sure.

NYT has Jones at a 95% chance of winning, though. When have they ever gotten something like this wrong before?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on December 12, 2017, 10:30:56 pm
Wow, it's actually looking like Jones is gonna win. My faith in this country is so much higher right now than it was this morning.

You can thank me later. All of my predictions turn out wrong, so I jinxed this.
It just tipped back to Moore's favor according to 538, so you might have jinxed us twice.

Edit: Apparently some sources are reporting that Jones won so I'm not sure.

NYT has Jones at a 95% chance of winning, though. When have they ever gotten something like this wrong before?
538 has Jones back on top now with an 8,000 vote lead. I spoke too soon.

Edit: It's official.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 12, 2017, 10:36:33 pm
Wow, it's actually looking like Jones is gonna win. My faith in this country is so much higher right now than it was this morning.

You can thank me later. All of my predictions turn out wrong, so I jinxed this.
It just tipped back to Moore's favor according to 538, so you might have jinxed us twice.

Edit: Apparently some sources are reporting that Jones won so I'm not sure.

NYT has Jones at a 95% chance of winning, though. When have they ever gotten something like this wrong before?
538 has Jones back on top now with an 8,000 vote lead. I spoke too soon.

Edit: It's official.

(https://www.osha.com/img/map-alabama.png)

Top ten anime betrayals
Title: Re: Fudgeknuckle (Random Fuсking Shіt)
Post by: $+/\|_ˇ|\| on December 16, 2017, 12:29:46 pm
Orwell was very prescient, wasn’t he?
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/941837194032857089
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on December 16, 2017, 06:06:34 pm
Orwell was very prescient, wasn’t he?
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/941837194032857089

I moved this post here just 'cause it makes more sense on this thread.

But yeah, this is... disconcerting.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on December 28, 2017, 04:02:08 pm
Roy Moore is a pathetic crybaby. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/12/28/roy-moore-asks-alabama-court-for-a-new-election/?utm_term=.e702bfeeabd0)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 03, 2018, 07:18:53 pm
He didn't even want to win. What a loser. (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s3&utm_campaign=sharebutton-t)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on January 09, 2018, 07:06:09 pm
So apparently the wall is going to be shorter, not as long, and not a wall. What a shock!
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 09, 2018, 07:32:44 pm
Steve Bannon leaves Breitbart. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi55YuVkczYAhVH6lMKHVfiA0AQqUMIKzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F01%2F09%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fsteve-bannon-breitbart-trump.html&usg=AOvVaw0HPE_SAvtdTc8tKU0VkkTb)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on January 09, 2018, 08:15:41 pm
Surprised no one's mentioned Arpaio's announcement of his Senate bid yet.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on January 10, 2018, 02:40:07 pm
Surprised no one's mentioned Arpaio's announcement of his Senate bid yet.

All talk, most likely. And Arizona is not Alabama. I sincerely doubt his ability to get so much as the nomination.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Frankie on January 10, 2018, 02:43:20 pm
Surprised no one's mentioned Arpaio's announcement of his Senate bid yet.

All talk, most likely. And Arizona is not Alabama. I sincerely doubt his ability to get so much as the nomination.

Hopefully it is all talk because I know a few people who defend him and his actions here in Florida. I can't imagine it'd be any better in Arizona.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on January 10, 2018, 02:49:47 pm
Surprised no one's mentioned Arpaio's announcement of his Senate bid yet.

All talk, most likely. And Arizona is not Alabama. I sincerely doubt his ability to get so much as the nomination.

Hopefully it is all talk because I know a few people who defend him and his actions here in Florida. I can't imagine it'd be any better in Arizona.

I think Flake said in an interview that Arpaio says he'll run for statewide election all the time, and every time he chickens out. Even if he doesn't, it's an uphill battle for him. Flake says he will not endorse him, and McCain certainly won't either.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Frankie on January 10, 2018, 02:55:19 pm
Surprised no one's mentioned Arpaio's announcement of his Senate bid yet.

All talk, most likely. And Arizona is not Alabama. I sincerely doubt his ability to get so much as the nomination.

Hopefully it is all talk because I know a few people who defend him and his actions here in Florida. I can't imagine it'd be any better in Arizona.

I think Flake said in an interview that Arpaio says he'll run for statewide election all the time, and every time he chickens out. Even if he doesn't, it's an uphill battle for him. Flake says he will not endorse him, and McCain certainly won't either.

I see, yeah I wouldn't put it past Arpaio to be all talk in that sense.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on January 12, 2018, 06:27:00 pm
Trump's comments from yesterday made for some lively discussion in AP Gov't today (and a decent wisecrack in AP US History).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on January 17, 2018, 11:26:07 am
Orwell was very prescient, wasn’t he?
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/941837194032857089

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTtdb3aXUAI4UZh.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 17, 2018, 11:39:28 am
LMAO! (https://t.co/HKbuyVmvHe?amp=1)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 17, 2018, 03:13:27 pm
Fire and Fury is getting a TV series. (http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/914951-fire-and-fury-book-set-for-tv-series-adaptation)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 28, 2018, 12:30:39 pm
Mueller could seize Donny’s assets while he’s still in office. (https://t.co/1fIcpPa1oa)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on January 28, 2018, 01:28:36 pm
Mueller could seize Donny’s assets while he’s still in office. (https://t.co/1fIcpPa1oa)

That article is way too optimistic.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 29, 2018, 08:19:42 am
(https://i.imgur.com/GIwxggn.png)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 29, 2018, 09:40:37 am
"Good role model for kids" (https://t.co/W53K0DgTSO)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 29, 2018, 04:04:13 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/fEqC0jV.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 06, 2018, 02:07:33 am
The Dow just dropped almost 1,200 points in 48 hours. I'm sure Trump has nothing to do with this, even though he was personally responsible for its meteoric rise up until now. Meanwhile, liberals everywhere decide that as of this moment, the president actually does have a direct effect on the stock market. What a coincidence.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on February 06, 2018, 10:33:47 am
The Dow just dropped almost 1,200 points in 48 hours. I'm sure Trump has nothing to do with this, even though he was personally responsible for its meteoric rise up until now. Meanwhile, liberals everywhere decide that as of this moment, the president actually does have a direct effect on the stock market. What a coincidence.

Wait, wait.  Are you saying there is rampant partisan hypocrisy among both sides when there is a 2-party system in place?  NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 06, 2018, 05:48:27 pm
I got Dylan to post on this thread, guys. What do I win?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 06, 2018, 05:58:51 pm
I got Dylan to post on this thread, guys. What do I win?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on February 06, 2018, 06:23:06 pm
I got Dylan to post on this thread, guys. What do I win?

A big wet sloppy kiss from Kate?

Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on February 06, 2018, 08:34:04 pm
The Dow just dropped almost 1,200 points in 48 hours. I'm sure Trump has nothing to do with this, even though he was personally responsible for its meteoric rise up until now. Meanwhile, liberals everywhere decide that as of this moment, the president actually does have a direct effect on the stock market. What a coincidence.
I feel like I've been agreeing with you too much lately so I'm gonna go out and say that I don't think anyone's been saying that this is Trump's fault. What people have been doing (rightly) is mocking him for saying the prior rise was due to him when a.Most stuff influencing the economy was Obama's for most of his term and b.The president and their politics doesn't impact the market much anyway.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 06, 2018, 08:46:28 pm
The Dow just dropped almost 1,200 points in 48 hours. I'm sure Trump has nothing to do with this, even though he was personally responsible for its meteoric rise up until now. Meanwhile, liberals everywhere decide that as of this moment, the president actually does have a direct effect on the stock market. What a coincidence.
I feel like I've been agreeing with you too much lately so I'm gonna go out and say that I don't think anyone's been saying that this is Trump's fault. What people have been doing (rightly) is mocking him for saying the prior rise was due to him when a.Most stuff influencing the economy was Obama's for most of his term and b.The president and their politics doesn't impact the market much anyway.

Lol, I was mostly referring to people I know IRL, who have been saying shit like "DID YOU HEAR TRUMP TANKED THE STOCK MARKET?!?!" in class these past two days. On a side note, apparently Mnuchin said he wanted to see a weaker dollar while in Davos, and after his comments were leaked and the dollar dropped, he tried to walk it back. Honestly, that makes him and this whole administration look so incompetent from an economic perspective. You can make an argument for a strong or a weak dollar, but don't just run your mouth like that and assume it won't have any effect on things. This cabinet is filled with paste-eating special needs children.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 07, 2018, 02:12:36 am
Sometimes I forget that I still hate the Democrats, and then I read stuff like this. (https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/06/new-york-democrats-introduce-bill-that-would-require-tide-pods-to-look-less-appetizing)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on February 07, 2018, 09:25:35 am
Sometimes I forget that I still hate the Democrats, and then I read stuff like this. (https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/06/new-york-democrats-introduce-bill-that-would-require-tide-pods-to-look-less-appetizing)
Classic New York.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 07, 2018, 12:58:08 pm
Sometimes I forget that I still hate the Democrats, and then I read stuff like this. (https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/06/new-york-democrats-introduce-bill-that-would-require-tide-pods-to-look-less-appetizing)
Classic New York.

They're probably afraid that if this continues, they'll lose a sizable chunk of their voter base.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on February 07, 2018, 04:06:31 pm
Sometimes I forget that I still hate the Democrats, and then I read stuff like this. (https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/06/new-york-democrats-introduce-bill-that-would-require-tide-pods-to-look-less-appetizing)
I loved, and completely agree with, your Quora answer on this by the way. I get annoyed at the tendency to never blame things on people and mandate other shit instead, whether it's this or requiring helmet usage. The helmet example is one I've argued about with my mom quite a bit, but frankly I think it's a personal decision whether one wants to use a helmet while riding a motorcycle. Doesn't make it any less retarded for people to not wear a helmet, but it's their decision. Smoking cigs is equally dumb but that's legal.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 07, 2018, 05:41:45 pm
https://youtu.be/vHwOMWGAg_o
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 07, 2018, 05:59:16 pm
Sometimes I forget that I still hate the Democrats, and then I read stuff like this. (https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/06/new-york-democrats-introduce-bill-that-would-require-tide-pods-to-look-less-appetizing)
I loved, and completely agree with, your Quora answer on this by the way. I get annoyed at the tendency to never blame things on people and mandate other shit instead, whether it's this or requiring helmet usage. The helmet example is one I've argued about with my mom quite a bit, but frankly I think it's a personal decision whether one wants to use a helmet while riding a motorcycle. Doesn't make it any less retarded for people to not wear a helmet, but it's their decision. Smoking cigs is equally dumb but that's legal.

California has this "Click-It-Or-Ticket" thing going to make sure that people wear their seatbelts. If anything, it just makes me not want to wear mine to spite them. I get that the state needs revenue, but it's not their responsibility to mollycoddle us. Besides, if the threat of violent dismemberment doesn't convince people to buckle up, I don't see why a $50 ticket will.

https://youtu.be/vHwOMWGAg_o

This cannot be real.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 13, 2018, 08:48:01 pm
Rob Porter is apparently taking inspiration from the evil dad in Deadly Friend:

(https://i.imgur.com/iCMMUC2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on February 19, 2018, 01:29:27 pm
NYT hired Dom Cobb and other scholars to rank presidents, in which people apparently think Trump's worse than Buchanan and Andrew Johnson (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion).

In before people justify ranking William Henry Harrison higher by saying that because he keeled over he didn't do anything outright bad.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 19, 2018, 01:33:30 pm
NYT hired Dom Cobb and other scholars to rank presidents, in which people apparently think Trump's worse than Buchanan and Andrew Johnson (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion).

In before people justify ranking William Henry Harrison higher by saying that because he keeled over he didn't do anything outright bad.

Let's do an Oasis scholarly ranking of all presidents. Not including Trump since he's still in office.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on February 19, 2018, 01:37:48 pm
NYT hired Dom Cobb and other scholars to rank presidents, in which people apparently think Trump's worse than Buchanan and Andrew Johnson (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion).

In before people justify ranking William Henry Harrison higher by saying that because he keeled over he didn't do anything outright bad.

Let's do an Oasis scholarly ranking of all presidents. Not including Trump since he's still in office.
It would be an interesting project to undergo, if a rather difficult one due to the lack of notability of a lot of past presidents. Would we be setting our own metrics for the rankings (I.e. success in their tenure versus our ideological preferences)?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 19, 2018, 01:41:20 pm
NYT hired Dom Cobb and other scholars to rank presidents, in which people apparently think Trump's worse than Buchanan and Andrew Johnson (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion).

In before people justify ranking William Henry Harrison higher by saying that because he keeled over he didn't do anything outright bad.

Let's do an Oasis scholarly ranking of all presidents. Not including Trump since he's still in office.
It would be an interesting project to undergo, if a rather difficult one due to the lack of notability of a lot of past presidents. Would we be setting our own metrics for the rankings (I.e. success in their tenure versus our ideological preferences)?

I think we should all decide the metrics for ourselves. Of course, I doubt more than a few of us will actually contribute to this. I'll be pushing for recognition for Coolidge, Arthur, Cleveland, and Polk. We could also leave out WH Harrison and Garfield, given how little they actually affected the direction of the country.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on February 19, 2018, 01:53:42 pm
NYT hired Dom Cobb and other scholars to rank presidents, in which people apparently think Trump's worse than Buchanan and Andrew Johnson (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion).

In before people justify ranking William Henry Harrison higher by saying that because he keeled over he didn't do anything outright bad.

Let's do an Oasis scholarly ranking of all presidents. Not including Trump since he's still in office.
It would be an interesting project to undergo, if a rather difficult one due to the lack of notability of a lot of past presidents. Would we be setting our own metrics for the rankings (I.e. success in their tenure versus our ideological preferences)?

I think we should all decide the metrics for ourselves. Of course, I doubt more than a few of us will actually contribute to this. I'll be pushing for recognition for Coolidge, Arthur, Cleveland, and Polk. We could also leave out WH Harrison and Garfield, given how little they actually affected the direction of the country.
Yeah, I think Polk would be fairly high on my list too. Moral ramifications aside, he was really efficient for a one term president.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 21, 2018, 07:27:30 pm
Wow.

He needs to crib notes—— CRIB NOTES—— during the gun violence listening session:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWmURceUQAUnYt7.jpg:small)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 21, 2018, 07:37:54 pm
Wow.

He needs to crib notes—— CRIB NOTES—— during the gun violence listening session:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWmURceUQAUnYt7.jpg:small)

The little "45" on the cuffs is what sells this one.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on February 21, 2018, 08:01:27 pm
Wow.

He needs to crib notes—— CRIB NOTES—— during the gun violence listening session:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWmURceUQAUnYt7.jpg:small)
This is perhaps even less news-worthy than that whole two scoops thing.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 22, 2018, 11:58:43 pm
"We need a rating system on movies!" (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-maybe-they-have-to-put-a-rating-system-on-movies)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 23, 2018, 03:41:11 pm
Our president has accused the man who didn't prevent the school shooting (and who is likely currently contemplating suicide) of "not loving children." (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/trump-office-love-the-children/index.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on February 23, 2018, 10:44:30 pm
Marco Rubio is retarded. (https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/967065035158761473)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 24, 2018, 03:46:32 am
Marco Rubio is retarded. (https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/967065035158761473)

He's right that the people proposing these laws know zip about guns, and that their ignorance makes discussion nearly impossible.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: cupcake on February 24, 2018, 08:06:56 am
Marco Rubio is retarded. (https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/967065035158761473)

He's right that the people proposing these laws know zip about guns, and that their ignorance makes discussion nearly impossible.

It's pretty crazy how a lot of people don't know that the AR-15 used in the shooting was a semi-automatic gun.  They are all clamoring around saying ban automatic weapons when the gun in question isn't.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 24, 2018, 03:00:07 pm
Marco Rubio is retarded. (https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/967065035158761473)

He's right that the people proposing these laws know zip about guns, and that their ignorance makes discussion nearly impossible.

It's pretty crazy how a lot of people don't know that the AR-15 used in the shooting was a semi-automatic gun.  They are all clamoring around saying ban automatic weapons when the gun in question isn't.

I won't pretend to know much about guns. I think I've shot one exactly once in my life. But I find it funny that the people who are trying to limit the second amendment haven't bothered to do an ounce of research on the subject that is now apparently their passion project.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on February 28, 2018, 01:17:43 am
Any thoughts on this Court ruling? (http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/jennings-v-rodriguez/)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on February 28, 2018, 01:50:21 pm
Any thoughts on this Court ruling? (http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/jennings-v-rodriguez/)

Personally, I think the 9th circuit overstepped their bounds (again) and the SCOTUS smacked them down.  9th circuit has a habit of trying to make up laws instead of enforcing them.  That's why they have a super high reversal rate at the SCOTUS level and have for many years.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 28, 2018, 06:36:22 pm
In the scramble for "reasonable" gun control, Trump accidentally endorses seizing citizens' guns illegally, aka the thing the NRA warned us Obama would do (which he never did). (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-on-dangerous-people-with-firearms-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/article/2650318)

We wanted a president with an ideology and no party. We got a president with a party and no ideology.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on February 28, 2018, 06:38:55 pm
Also, I've reset the poll votes to zero. The winner? Hope Hicks.

Picked Jared this time around.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 01, 2018, 09:32:45 pm
Also, I've reset the poll votes to zero. The winner? Hope Hicks.

Picked Jared this time around.

Whoops. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-preparing-mcmaster-exit-early-next-month-n852371) They really drop like flies, don't they?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 02, 2018, 11:37:04 am
"dieing"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXSW5xXXcAALCtX.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 06, 2018, 08:19:59 pm
Gary Cohn resigns. (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/06/gary-cohn-plans-to-resign-as-trumps-top-economic-advisor-new-york-times.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 06, 2018, 08:27:38 pm
Gary Cohn resigns. (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/06/gary-cohn-plans-to-resign-as-trumps-top-economic-advisor-new-york-times.html)

Reset the poll. I'm on the Kelly train.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 06, 2018, 08:49:55 pm
The Tangerine Tornado is now being sued by Stormy Daniels. (http://theweek.com/speedreads/759448/stormy-daniels-suing-trump)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 07, 2018, 03:09:29 pm
A poll shows that Americans think Benedict Donald is the worst U.S. President since WWII. (https://t.co/YsoMYc75yz)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on March 07, 2018, 06:45:16 pm
A poll shows that Americans think Benedict Donald is the worst U.S. President since WWII. (https://t.co/YsoMYc75yz)
This happens to every president though. My stance overall is basically the same as the NYT scholar rankings I linked last month.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 07, 2018, 06:46:07 pm
Trump is suing my state...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 07, 2018, 06:48:18 pm
Also, 538 did an interesting piece on the Cohn resignation. (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-gary-cohns-white-house-resignation-is-different/) It'll be interesting to see how much the GOP is willing to break away from their Golden Boy when it comes to these tariffs.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 10, 2018, 09:56:48 pm
Prima Donald's 2020 campaign slogan is the tagline for The Purge: Election Year. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/10/politics/trump-campaign-slogan/index.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 10, 2018, 11:20:08 pm
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on March 11, 2018, 01:20:43 am
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

What does "pay off" mean? If it refers to "denuclearization", then the answer is of course not. All Trump can give them is some promises of lifting some sanctions, and he's already proven many times a) he doesn't care about international agreements (most relevant here is the ever-present brinkmanship over Iran agreement) and b) US itself changes its foreign policy moods every 4-8 years and it's not worth throwing away decades of scientific effort for one such whim.

If stopping further testing is considered good enough, then this might well happen, since they already got what they wanted, now having a reasonable chance of reaching your mainland if a war were to happen tomorrow - the basics of nuclear deterrence. Doing so will certainly save them some fuel, and deprive lots of pundits of a significant source of headlines, stop a lot of your people from pondering nuclear war for a while, etc.

The increased stability will also have some business benefits. Some are for ROK businesses and their partners, though they are relatively minor. Most Western business is unlikely to benefit much since they are bound by sanctions Trump probably won't alter. (Future POTUS might but it'll probably be a post-post-Trump one) However,  our and Chinese businesses and entrepreneurs could again get more active and South could proceed with reopening Kaesong, for instance, since ROK business loves cheap labor from up north (last time it was open, they paid lower wages then Chinese did in the equivalent Rason complex, or we do whenever there's agreement to deploy DPRK workforce in Russia).

I suppose there are theoretically other scenarios from the meeting (assuming it won't get called off again, for one reason or other) but they don't seem likely enough to mention here.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on March 11, 2018, 10:06:19 am
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

Tough to say.  I mean, he's said for years (there's a 1999 interview somewhere) that we need to try to negotiate with North Korea and try and secure a deal with them, but if all else fails we have to be prepared to do whatever we have to do to protect ourselves from their nuclear arsenal.  I like that he's at least willing to try and negotiate with him.  Whether or not it pays off is tough to say - you have 2 petulant children in the same room - they're either gonna get along great, or fight over who gets to play with the toy firetruck.  We'll see.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 11, 2018, 02:42:42 pm
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

Tough to say.  I mean, he's said for years (there's a 1999 interview somewhere) that we need to try to negotiate with North Korea and try and secure a deal with them, but if all else fails we have to be prepared to do whatever we have to do to protect ourselves from their nuclear arsenal.  I like that he's at least willing to try and negotiate with him.  Whether or not it pays off is tough to say - you have 2 petulant children in the same room - they're either gonna get along great, or fight over who gets to play with the toy firetruck.  We'll see.

While I'm definitely for sitting down to talk with the guy, I really feel that this will set a dangerous precedent. NK's nuclear program is effectively a massive bargaining chip; even Kimmy isn't dumb enough to strike first, because he knows that would lead to his own complete annihilation. All he ever wanted was for his country to get its foot in the door with the international community, and that looks like it might actually happen now. The last thing we should do is signal to other pariah regimes that a nuclear program will buy them legitimacy on the global stage.

And I don't think Trump understands any of this. If it was Obama or even Dubya, I'd trust them to not walk into a trap like this, but Trump is too impulsive and focused on short-term solutions to consider the ramifications of his actions. If he strikes some "deal" that lifts sanctions and allows NK to continue with its abhorrent human rights abuses, I can imagine that a few other psychotic dictatorships will start seeing nuke programs as a viable path to international recognition.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 11, 2018, 07:07:35 pm
Donald J. Trump... a man who has five children by three women -- all of whom he cheated on; one of whom he raped -- and once bragged on tape about grabbing women by the pussy... wants to bring back abstinence-only education. (https://t.co/JZBwUl5GUF)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on March 11, 2018, 07:30:57 pm
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

Tough to say.  I mean, he's said for years (there's a 1999 interview somewhere) that we need to try to negotiate with North Korea and try and secure a deal with them, but if all else fails we have to be prepared to do whatever we have to do to protect ourselves from their nuclear arsenal.  I like that he's at least willing to try and negotiate with him.  Whether or not it pays off is tough to say - you have 2 petulant children in the same room - they're either gonna get along great, or fight over who gets to play with the toy firetruck.  We'll see.

While I'm definitely for sitting down to talk with the guy, I really feel that this will set a dangerous precedent. NK's nuclear program is effectively a massive bargaining chip; even Kimmy isn't dumb enough to strike first, because he knows that would lead to his own complete annihilation. All he ever wanted was for his country to get its foot in the door with the international community, and that looks like it might actually happen now. The last thing we should do is signal to other pariah regimes that a nuclear program will buy them legitimacy on the global stage.

And I don't think Trump understands any of this. If it was Obama or even Dubya, I'd trust them to not walk into a trap like this, but Trump is too impulsive and focused on short-term solutions to consider the ramifications of his actions. If he strikes some "deal" that lifts sanctions and allows NK to continue with its abhorrent human rights abuses, I can imagine that a few other psychotic dictatorships will start seeing nuke programs as a viable path to international recognition.


I don't know - I mean these other countries would actually not just get their hands on a nuke, but be able to develop, test, etc. to make them a viable threat.  I agree that NK won't strike first UNLESS KJU contracts some sort of disease where he's dying and he's like "fuck it, what have I got to lose?"  Again, I'm not gonna bash the guy for having a sit down to try and make a deal - if he fucks it up, then I'll bash him.  But I'm gonna withhold judgment until we find out more.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on March 12, 2018, 07:50:10 am
Betsy DeVos on 60 Minutes... good God... (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/betsy-devos-60-minutes/index.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on March 13, 2018, 11:49:31 am
God dammit! I had Tillerson for like four months!
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on March 13, 2018, 12:24:07 pm
God dammit! I had Tillerson for like four months!
RIP

I haven’t been following Pompeo’s tenure enough to have an opinion on whether he’ll make a good Secretary.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on March 13, 2018, 11:48:45 pm
So I've heard that rumors that Justice Kennedy may be retiring are surfacing again. Is that suitable cause for panic?
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on April 11, 2018, 11:37:00 am
Paul Ryan’s out. (https://amp.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-retiring-as-speaker-as-failure-2018-4)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on April 11, 2018, 01:09:47 pm
Paul Ryan’s out. (https://amp.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-retiring-as-speaker-as-failure-2018-4)

I think we can count this for the purposes of our poll. It's "who will be eliminated next," meaning anyone Trump fires plus anyone who quits because he turned their jobs into a living nightmare.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on April 12, 2018, 08:36:41 pm
LMAO, this is too much. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/politics/trump-trans-pacific-partnership.html)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on April 12, 2018, 08:49:16 pm
Trump asked Comey to disprove the pee tape allegations just because he didn't want to get in trouble with Melania. (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/comey-says-trump-asked-him-to-disprove-pee-tape-allegations-2018-04-12)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on April 19, 2018, 11:59:09 am
Trump gets re-elected. Calling it now. (https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/12/intersectional-feminist-first-date/)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 19, 2018, 12:07:49 pm
Trump gets re-elected. Calling it now. (https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/12/intersectional-feminist-first-date/)

LOL - this is some over-the-top weirdo "progressive" bullshit right here.  I'm so glad I'm married and don't have to deal with any of this fucking nonsense in the current dating world...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 19, 2018, 10:36:28 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 20, 2018, 01:09:39 pm
Trump has the power to alter the weather for the good of humanity. (https://weather.com/storms/tornado/news/2018-04-19-no-tornadoes-oklahoma-record-2018)


Probable headline on Breitbart soon...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on April 20, 2018, 04:18:57 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)

Erm, Dylan, the story you linked is actually about your climate change-denying environmental secretary's excesses.

Not that I can actually gloat about anything in that story - Putin's and others' position on AGW is ambivalent at best (though to be fair, I don't think we can realistically do too much about it regardless, since most renewables wouldn't work in our climate, for instance.) Moreover, pretty much anything Pruitt is said to do unfortunately seems par the course for just about any of our politicians.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 20, 2018, 05:22:34 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pruitt-exclusive/exclusive-epa-chiefs-aides-security-agents-made-45000-trip-to-australia-idUSKBN1HQ2U7/)

Erm, Dylan, the story you linked is actually about your climate change-denying environmental secretary's excesses.

Not that I can actually gloat about anything in that story - Putin's and others' position on AGW is ambivalent at best (though to be fair, I don't think we can realistically do too much about it regardless, since most renewables wouldn't work in our climate, for instance.) Moreover, pretty much anything Pruitt is said to do unfortunately seems par the course for just about any of our politicians.

No - Reuters must have changed up the links...weird...

Either that or somebody is messing with my posts.  Anyway, it's fixed.  And if it changes again, THIS is the link:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on April 20, 2018, 08:20:03 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 20, 2018, 11:45:22 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on April 21, 2018, 02:37:55 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on April 21, 2018, 03:03:58 pm
For the record, I have always said that if the Mueller investigation does not go all the way to Trump's doorstep, I will accept the results (and actually be quite relieved).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 21, 2018, 03:14:33 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.

So what you're saying then is that NO MATTER WHAT the results of the investigation, you will still believe 100% that Trump colluded with Russia?

Also - on the Hillary end...sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just the Electoral College - a year later she still doesn't accept them. These are her words directly. https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-still-wants-to-challenge-election-results/
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 21, 2018, 03:15:14 pm
For the record, I have always said that if the Mueller investigation does not go all the way to Trump's doorstep, I will accept the results (and actually be quite relieved).

Yes, but you're not a pussy hat wearing psycho liberal.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on April 21, 2018, 03:24:16 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.

So what you're saying then is that NO MATTER WHAT the results of the investigation, you will still believe 100% that Trump colluded with Russia?

Also - on the Hillary end...sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just the Electoral College - a year later she still doesn't accept them. These are her words directly. https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-still-wants-to-challenge-election-results/
What? No, I'll be fine with it. I explicitly used phrases like "people can say" and people will be upset" so I'm unsure how you extrapolated that to my personal perspective. I'll absolutely accept the results of the investigation, although I think it's more likely than not that the Trump campaign knew about Russian interference and colluded (that does not necessarily implicate Trump himself).

And yeah, on the Hillary end you cited a New York Post article lol. If you actually read the thing, what you'd find is that she said she "would consider" (not would) challenging the election results if, and only if, concrete proof of Russain interference beyond what is already public comes to light.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 21, 2018, 03:32:15 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.

So what you're saying then is that NO MATTER WHAT the results of the investigation, you will still believe 100% that Trump colluded with Russia?

Also - on the Hillary end...sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just the Electoral College - a year later she still doesn't accept them. These are her words directly. https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-still-wants-to-challenge-election-results/
What? No, I'll be fine with it. I explicitly used phrases like "people can say" and people will be upset" so I'm unsure how you extrapolated that to my personal perspective. I'll absolutely accept the results of the investigation, although I think it's more likely than not that the Trump campaign knew about Russian interference and colluded (that does not necessarily implicate Trump himself).

And yeah, on the Hillary end you cited a New York Post article lol. If you actually read the thing, what you'd find is that she said she "would consider" (not would) challenging the election results if, and only if, concrete proof of Russain interference beyond what is already public comes to light.

1 - So if Trump is not implicated in any way in the investigation you will conclude that Trump was NOT complicit in any way in Russian collusion?  Right?  I have that correct?

2 - My point was...she badgered Trump over whether or not he would accept the results.  She went so far as to say that his failure to commit to accepting the results "threatens democracy".  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/21/clinton-trump-threatens-democracy-not-accepting-election-results/92533916/

Yet, she STILL doesn't accept the results, as you can see from this exchange.  If she accepted them, she wouldn't even consider challenging them still.  My point stands...she is a fucking hypocrite of the most monumental proportions.

“I wouldn’t rule it out​,” Clinton told National Public Radio on Monday.

That seemed to floor the interviewer, Terry Gross.

“So what are the means, like, this is totally unprecedented in every way,” Gross said, grasping for a follow-up.

“It is,” replied Clinton.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on April 22, 2018, 11:16:10 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.

So what you're saying then is that NO MATTER WHAT the results of the investigation, you will still believe 100% that Trump colluded with Russia?

Also - on the Hillary end...sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just the Electoral College - a year later she still doesn't accept them. These are her words directly. https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-still-wants-to-challenge-election-results/
What? No, I'll be fine with it. I explicitly used phrases like "people can say" and people will be upset" so I'm unsure how you extrapolated that to my personal perspective. I'll absolutely accept the results of the investigation, although I think it's more likely than not that the Trump campaign knew about Russian interference and colluded (that does not necessarily implicate Trump himself).

And yeah, on the Hillary end you cited a New York Post article lol. If you actually read the thing, what you'd find is that she said she "would consider" (not would) challenging the election results if, and only if, concrete proof of Russain interference beyond what is already public comes to light.

1 - So if Trump is not implicated in any way in the investigation you will conclude that Trump was NOT complicit in any way in Russian collusion?  Right?  I have that correct?

2 - My point was...she badgered Trump over whether or not he would accept the results.  She went so far as to say that his failure to commit to accepting the results "threatens democracy".  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/21/clinton-trump-threatens-democracy-not-accepting-election-results/92533916/

Yet, she STILL doesn't accept the results, as you can see from this exchange.  If she accepted them, she wouldn't even consider challenging them still.  My point stands...she is a fucking hypocrite of the most monumental proportions.

“I wouldn’t rule it out​,” Clinton told National Public Radio on Monday.

That seemed to floor the interviewer, Terry Gross.

“So what are the means, like, this is totally unprecedented in every way,” Gross said, grasping for a follow-up.

“It is,” replied Clinton.
1. I will absolutely accept the results of the investigtation either way. That doesn't mean I necessarily think Trump wasn't complicit, but that I think the matter should be closed no matter what, since evidence of collusion does not exist.

2. That is not hypocritical for the reasons I laid out in my previous post. She basically said she was open to looking into a challenge if something huge was discovered on the Russian front; not the same as just challenging the results in my opinion. It's like accepting a jury decision unless some huge new piece of evidence is introduced, which I think is a reasonable caveat.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 22, 2018, 11:21:25 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.

So what you're saying then is that NO MATTER WHAT the results of the investigation, you will still believe 100% that Trump colluded with Russia?

Also - on the Hillary end...sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just the Electoral College - a year later she still doesn't accept them. These are her words directly. https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-still-wants-to-challenge-election-results/
What? No, I'll be fine with it. I explicitly used phrases like "people can say" and people will be upset" so I'm unsure how you extrapolated that to my personal perspective. I'll absolutely accept the results of the investigation, although I think it's more likely than not that the Trump campaign knew about Russian interference and colluded (that does not necessarily implicate Trump himself).

And yeah, on the Hillary end you cited a New York Post article lol. If you actually read the thing, what you'd find is that she said she "would consider" (not would) challenging the election results if, and only if, concrete proof of Russain interference beyond what is already public comes to light.

1 - So if Trump is not implicated in any way in the investigation you will conclude that Trump was NOT complicit in any way in Russian collusion?  Right?  I have that correct?

2 - My point was...she badgered Trump over whether or not he would accept the results.  She went so far as to say that his failure to commit to accepting the results "threatens democracy".  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/21/clinton-trump-threatens-democracy-not-accepting-election-results/92533916/

Yet, she STILL doesn't accept the results, as you can see from this exchange.  If she accepted them, she wouldn't even consider challenging them still.  My point stands...she is a fucking hypocrite of the most monumental proportions.

“I wouldn’t rule it out​,” Clinton told National Public Radio on Monday.

That seemed to floor the interviewer, Terry Gross.

“So what are the means, like, this is totally unprecedented in every way,” Gross said, grasping for a follow-up.

“It is,” replied Clinton.
1. I will absolutely accept the results of the investigtation either way. That doesn't mean I necessarily think Trump wasn't complicit, but that I think the matter should be closed no matter what, since evidence of collusion does not exist.

2. That is not hypocritical for the reasons I laid out in my previous post. She basically said she was open to looking into a challenge if something huge was discovered on the Russian front; not the same as just challenging the results in my opinion. It's like accepting a jury decision unless some huge new piece of evidence is introduced, which I think is a reasonable caveat.

If Trump had said that exact thing - Hillary and all the rest of the liberals would have completely lost their collective minds.  In fact, here's what Trump did say when Hillary was badgering him about it..."I will look at it at the time".  Is that a reasonable caveat?  Because it's pretty similar.  Yet the media AND Hillary went fucking nuts over it.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on April 22, 2018, 11:28:32 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.

So what you're saying then is that NO MATTER WHAT the results of the investigation, you will still believe 100% that Trump colluded with Russia?

Also - on the Hillary end...sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just the Electoral College - a year later she still doesn't accept them. These are her words directly. https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-still-wants-to-challenge-election-results/
What? No, I'll be fine with it. I explicitly used phrases like "people can say" and people will be upset" so I'm unsure how you extrapolated that to my personal perspective. I'll absolutely accept the results of the investigation, although I think it's more likely than not that the Trump campaign knew about Russian interference and colluded (that does not necessarily implicate Trump himself).

And yeah, on the Hillary end you cited a New York Post article lol. If you actually read the thing, what you'd find is that she said she "would consider" (not would) challenging the election results if, and only if, concrete proof of Russain interference beyond what is already public comes to light.

1 - So if Trump is not implicated in any way in the investigation you will conclude that Trump was NOT complicit in any way in Russian collusion?  Right?  I have that correct?

2 - My point was...she badgered Trump over whether or not he would accept the results.  She went so far as to say that his failure to commit to accepting the results "threatens democracy".  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/21/clinton-trump-threatens-democracy-not-accepting-election-results/92533916/

Yet, she STILL doesn't accept the results, as you can see from this exchange.  If she accepted them, she wouldn't even consider challenging them still.  My point stands...she is a fucking hypocrite of the most monumental proportions.

“I wouldn’t rule it out​,” Clinton told National Public Radio on Monday.

That seemed to floor the interviewer, Terry Gross.

“So what are the means, like, this is totally unprecedented in every way,” Gross said, grasping for a follow-up.

“It is,” replied Clinton.
1. I will absolutely accept the results of the investigtation either way. That doesn't mean I necessarily think Trump wasn't complicit, but that I think the matter should be closed no matter what, since evidence of collusion does not exist.

2. That is not hypocritical for the reasons I laid out in my previous post. She basically said she was open to looking into a challenge if something huge was discovered on the Russian front; not the same as just challenging the results in my opinion. It's like accepting a jury decision unless some huge new piece of evidence is introduced, which I think is a reasonable caveat.

If Trump had said that exact thing - Hillary and all the rest of the liberals would have completely lost their collective minds.  In fact, here's what Trump did say when Hillary was badgering him about it..."I will look at it at the time".  Is that a reasonable caveat?  Because it's pretty similar.  Yet the media AND Hillary went fucking nuts over it.
From what I recall, Trump essentially said in one of the debates that if he lost, the election was rigged. He didn't put any caveats pertaining to outside interference in, so no, I would not say the two are equivalent (assuming I recall what happened correctly, which may not be true).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 22, 2018, 11:33:22 pm
Uh oh - Trump NOT a target in Russia probe according to Rosenstein. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-target/rosenstein-told-trump-last-week-he-is-not-a-target-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1HQ2XI)
Regardless of the link, this has been true since the beginning and is meaningless either way. While I think it's exceedingly unlikely that Trump himself is directly implicated or taken down by the Russia probe, him being a subject rather than a target right now doesn't really mean anything as those distinctions change over the course of an investigation.

True - but I have been asked repeatedly that if Trump himself is found directly guilty of collusion related to Russia, would I accept the results?  And I've always said that if the evidence is there, I would gladly accept it.  The question also has a flip side though.  For those thoroughly convinced that Trump is guilty and are banking on it to appease their desires to have him impeached, the question then becomes will THOSE people accept the results if Trump is found to NOT have colluded with Russia? 

Similar to how Hillary pushed Trump to say he'd accept the results of the election, but when she lost she immediately began to question those results. 

Point being - the pendulum swings both ways.  This info from Rosenstein indicates it MIGHT sway in the direction that is going to infuriate a lot of people.  Of course, only time will tell...
I mean, the issue with that is that it's basically impossible to definitively prove that something didn't happen. Like, if there's concrete proof that Trump knew about election meddling and approved that's one thing, but if the investigation only finds proof of lower-level staffers knowing people can still say that they believe Trump knew about it (since it's not possible to prove otherwise). So yeah, people will be upset with whatever happens as to the conclusion of the investigation, I just don't think that necessarily means that there's any hypocrisy.

Ironically, that's kind of similar to how Hillary didn't question the election results. Saying that the Electoral College is unfair is not equal to saying that millions of unregistered people voted illegally.

So what you're saying then is that NO MATTER WHAT the results of the investigation, you will still believe 100% that Trump colluded with Russia?

Also - on the Hillary end...sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just the Electoral College - a year later she still doesn't accept them. These are her words directly. https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-still-wants-to-challenge-election-results/
What? No, I'll be fine with it. I explicitly used phrases like "people can say" and people will be upset" so I'm unsure how you extrapolated that to my personal perspective. I'll absolutely accept the results of the investigation, although I think it's more likely than not that the Trump campaign knew about Russian interference and colluded (that does not necessarily implicate Trump himself).

And yeah, on the Hillary end you cited a New York Post article lol. If you actually read the thing, what you'd find is that she said she "would consider" (not would) challenging the election results if, and only if, concrete proof of Russain interference beyond what is already public comes to light.

1 - So if Trump is not implicated in any way in the investigation you will conclude that Trump was NOT complicit in any way in Russian collusion?  Right?  I have that correct?

2 - My point was...she badgered Trump over whether or not he would accept the results.  She went so far as to say that his failure to commit to accepting the results "threatens democracy".  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/21/clinton-trump-threatens-democracy-not-accepting-election-results/92533916/

Yet, she STILL doesn't accept the results, as you can see from this exchange.  If she accepted them, she wouldn't even consider challenging them still.  My point stands...she is a fucking hypocrite of the most monumental proportions.

“I wouldn’t rule it out​,” Clinton told National Public Radio on Monday.

That seemed to floor the interviewer, Terry Gross.

“So what are the means, like, this is totally unprecedented in every way,” Gross said, grasping for a follow-up.

“It is,” replied Clinton.
1. I will absolutely accept the results of the investigtation either way. That doesn't mean I necessarily think Trump wasn't complicit, but that I think the matter should be closed no matter what, since evidence of collusion does not exist.

2. That is not hypocritical for the reasons I laid out in my previous post. She basically said she was open to looking into a challenge if something huge was discovered on the Russian front; not the same as just challenging the results in my opinion. It's like accepting a jury decision unless some huge new piece of evidence is introduced, which I think is a reasonable caveat.

If Trump had said that exact thing - Hillary and all the rest of the liberals would have completely lost their collective minds.  In fact, here's what Trump did say when Hillary was badgering him about it..."I will look at it at the time".  Is that a reasonable caveat?  Because it's pretty similar.  Yet the media AND Hillary went fucking nuts over it.
From what I recall, Trump essentially said in one of the debates that if he lost, the election was rigged. He didn't put any caveats pertaining to outside interference in, so no, I would not say the two are equivalent (assuming I recall what happened correctly, which may not be true).

He said the election had been rigged against him up until that point (mostly because of the media).  Then when Hillary pestered him, he said "I will look at it at the time".  Not very different from "I wouldn't rule it out" when asked if she will challenge.  They are essentially in the same thought process which is this - if there is ANY way for me to challenge and win, I will.  There is no difference in their mindsets about it.  That's my point.  She was/is being a total hypocrite about it. 



This is the synopsis of what happened...

Hillary to Trump:  "Will you accept the results of the election"
Trump:  "Maybe, unless I think it was rigged against me."
Hillary:  "That's horrifying. I am appalled he would take that position. He is taking down our democracy."

10 months later...

Interviewer to Hillary"  "Have you accepted the results of the election"
Hillary:  "Maybe, unless I think it was rigged against me."

Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 23, 2018, 05:45:17 pm
Gallop says Trump re-elections numbers similar to those of Obama and Clinton.


http://news.gallup.com/poll/233000/trump-elect-figures-similar-obama-clinton.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on April 23, 2018, 06:11:55 pm
Gallop says Trump re-elections numbers similar to those of Obama and Clinton.


http://news.gallup.com/poll/233000/trump-elect-figures-similar-obama-clinton.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

Important to note that approval ratings for those two were higher, but still, the point remains that anyone who thinks Trump has no chance to get re-elected is entirely delusional.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on April 23, 2018, 06:23:52 pm
Gallop says Trump re-elections numbers similar to those of Obama and Clinton.


http://news.gallup.com/poll/233000/trump-elect-figures-similar-obama-clinton.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

Important to note that approval ratings for those two were higher, but still, the point remains that anyone who thinks Trump has no chance to get re-elected is entirely delusional.

Yep - I mean the Democrats don't even have a candidate they seem to be pushing at this point, so we have no idea who they plan on running against him.  Incumbents are always difficult to beat. 
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 05, 2018, 12:08:01 am
This is honestly one of the funniest political ads I’ve ever seen.

https://youtu.be/laO0JULtxSc
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on May 05, 2018, 12:45:49 pm
This is honestly one of the funniest political ads I’ve ever seen.

https://youtu.be/laO0JULtxSc
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on May 05, 2018, 12:47:33 pm
Also, it's kinda funny that Giuliani went on national television and basically said that Trump's been lying about the hush money payment this whole time.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 05, 2018, 07:00:58 pm
This is honestly one of the funniest political ads I’ve ever seen.

https://youtu.be/laO0JULtxSc
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
It’s a perfect storm of so-bad-it’s-good qualities, from Blankenship’s unparalleled wooden delivery and the weird cuts after every line he says, to his use of “China people” and “West Virginia people” to the awkward use of the twin kids.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on June 19, 2018, 02:07:56 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.

In hindsight, this was a very notable signal that his worldview had warped to the point he would abandon us for the embrace of Letterboxd.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on June 19, 2018, 02:57:52 pm
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King. (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Person%20of%20the%20Year%22&src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A934216870168731648)
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
In hindsight, this was a very notable signal that his worldview had warped to the point he would abandon us for the embrace of Letterboxd.
Perhaps. I think more than anything it demonstrates an American-centric view on global politics. That's more symptomatic of the country in general though.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on July 05, 2018, 05:13:35 pm
And just when we thought he'd gone for a while without kicking someone out...
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on July 09, 2018, 02:45:49 pm
Anybody here interested in challenging this answer? I mean, the idea named in the question is obviously idiotic, but holy shit...

https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81

To get even more granular, here's this comment (https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81/comment/66939119).
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Frankie on July 09, 2018, 04:52:00 pm
Anybody here interested in challenging this answer? I mean, the idea named in the question is obviously idiotic, but holy shit...

https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81

To get even more granular, here's this comment (https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81/comment/66939119).

It’s devolved into insanity at this point. Oh man it’s bad.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on July 09, 2018, 05:32:12 pm
Anybody here interested in challenging this answer? I mean, the idea named in the question is obviously idiotic, but holy shit...

https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81

To get even more granular, here's this comment (https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81/comment/66939119).

That post is of a far lower caliber of intelligence than I've come to expect from Quora. No point in replying to it.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on July 09, 2018, 06:01:43 pm
Anybody here interested in challenging this answer? I mean, the idea named in the question is obviously idiotic, but holy shit...

https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81

To get even more granular, here's this comment (https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81/comment/66939119).
Jesus, I thought the question was dumb enough but that answer could've been ripped from r/TheDonald.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on July 09, 2018, 09:27:50 pm
Wow, Trump just managed to nominate someone who:

- Drafted the Starr Report and supported Bill Clinton's impeachment,
- Investigated Vince Foster's death, AND
- Worked on the Bush campaign during the Florida recount.

Calling it right now. Donald Trump is the ultimate troll. I have no hope of equaling this man, no matter how many Dom Cobbs I manage to piss off.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on July 10, 2018, 11:05:57 am
Wow, Trump just managed to nominate someone who:

- Drafted the Starr Report and supported Bill Clinton's impeachment,
- Investigated Vince Foster's death, AND
- Worked on the Bush campaign during the Florida recount.

Calling it right now. Donald Trump is the ultimate troll. I have no hope of equaling this man, no matter how many Dom Cobbs I manage to piss off.

I still think that the ultimate troll move would have been appointing Cohen (even if he would never have gotten confirmed). However, this is pretty good too.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Robert Neville on July 10, 2018, 02:58:23 pm
Anybody here interested in challenging this answer? I mean, the idea named in the question is obviously idiotic, but holy shit...

https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81

To get even more granular, here's this comment (https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81/comment/66939119).

That post is of a far lower caliber of intelligence than I've come to expect from Quora. No point in replying to it.

I have seen a bunch of answers of this kind for quite a while. Here's another recent example: https://www.quora.com/How-is-it-that-with-Trumps-cabinet-picks-resigning-all-the-time-over-scandals-that-his-supporters-still-claim-hes-draining-the-swamp/answer/Bryan-Shoemaker-4 I've even bookmarked some of the least coherent ones to check out later.

The difference is, they were usually collapsed, or close to it. This may be the first one of this kind with 800+ upvotes. Even the conservative Quorans with 10k+ followers, (which basically lets you write any rubbish and still get at least a few dozen guaranteed upvotes) don't always manage that.

Like, you've probably all seen Jon Davis there by now, who is basically the ultimate voice of US military there (though his progressive mirror Sophia Di Tricht is a close second), gaining many thousands followers in that manner before branching into other areas, like anime, or being a "supporter of Trump supporters". Even with his current 65k followers, though, he still only managed 65 upvotes for this equivalency between Roy Moore and Doug Jones: https://www.quora.com/What-do-pro-Trump-voters-think-of-Doug-Jones-Do-you-think-his-policy-positions-are-so-bad-for-Alabama-that-he%E2%80%99d-be-a-worse-choice-than-Roy-Moore-Jones-won-several-counties-that-went-for-Trump-in-2016/answer/Jon-Davis-10

Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on July 10, 2018, 03:31:47 pm
Anybody here interested in challenging this answer? I mean, the idea named in the question is obviously idiotic, but holy shit...

https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81

To get even more granular, here's this comment (https://www.quora.com/Why-shouldnt-Democrats-add-seats-to-the-Supreme-Court-when-they-get-into-power-This-is-a-brilliant-plan-and-will-stop-anyone-like-Trump-from-ever-getting-into-power-again/answer/Bill-James-81/comment/66939119).

That post is of a far lower caliber of intelligence than I've come to expect from Quora. No point in replying to it.

I have seen a bunch of answers of this kind for quite a while. Here's another recent example: https://www.quora.com/How-is-it-that-with-Trumps-cabinet-picks-resigning-all-the-time-over-scandals-that-his-supporters-still-claim-hes-draining-the-swamp/answer/Bryan-Shoemaker-4 I've even bookmarked some of the least coherent ones to check out later.

The difference is, they were usually collapsed, or close to it. This may be the first one of this kind with 800+ upvotes. Even the conservative Quorans with 10k+ followers, (which basically lets you write any rubbish and still get at least a few dozen guaranteed upvotes) don't always manage that.

Like, you've probably all seen Jon Davis there by now, who is basically the ultimate voice of US military there (though his progressive mirror Sophia Di Tricht is a close second), gaining many thousands followers in that manner before branching into other areas, like anime, or being a "supporter of Trump supporters". Even with his current 65k followers, though, he still only managed 65 upvotes for this equivalency between Roy Moore and Doug Jones: https://www.quora.com/What-do-pro-Trump-voters-think-of-Doug-Jones-Do-you-think-his-policy-positions-are-so-bad-for-Alabama-that-he%E2%80%99d-be-a-worse-choice-than-Roy-Moore-Jones-won-several-counties-that-went-for-Trump-in-2016/answer/Jon-Davis-10



I used to follow Davis, albeit just to hear the other perspective. Had to stop that after a while. He wrote some answer about how Democrats have no respect for "southern culture," and that the states should be allowed to ban gay marriage if they want. He's one of those closet authoritarians who think that "state's rights" means the right of the state to take away your freedoms.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Tut on July 17, 2018, 02:17:02 am
I bet Dylan's glad he left just before Trump's latest treason.
Title: Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
Post by: Kale Pasta on July 17, 2018, 06:15:13 pm
I bet Dylan's glad he left just before Trump's latest treason.
He'd probably just say that Obama did the same thing or something worse and then draw an inept comparison between two completely different scenarios.