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Title: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: Diego Tutweiller on June 11, 2017, 01:54:34 pm
I was watching it before my trip, but I had to cut it off since I needed to get up early. What I saw was pretty fantastic, though. It's a gruesome and unnerving war movie with an aesthetic that can't really be duplicated by modern effects.

Neville, you seen this thing?
Title: Re: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: Robert Neville on June 11, 2017, 03:21:53 pm
Not yet: I undoubtedly would have if I spent my teens in Russia and not Australia, but as it is, we have a lot of WW2 films, for obvious reasons, and this is actually one of the (comparatively) less seen ones. I am sure it's great, but it's been somewhat crowded out by Tarkovsky's Ivanovo Detstvo/Ivan's Childhood, or The Dawns Here Are Quiet (which had a shitty remake last year as our modern film industry made another attempt to ape Hollywood.)
Title: Re: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: Jim Raynor on June 11, 2017, 03:41:23 pm
Nice to see that you have seen this.

Regarding your statement of being gruesome and unnerving, I can agree partially. Much of the violence is actually implied, and it works as a sort of psychological horror, that is on how can our minds be **** at what's happening off-screen, which helps with how natural the whole picture feels, exemplified by the use of actual rain and technical flaws that are intentional for the reason explained above. That child actor is legendary, probably the best sort of performance from a child, ever.

Also, if you thought that it was fantastic until then, wait until the third act. That whole section got stuck with me for at least two months.
Title: Re: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: Diego Tutweiller on June 12, 2017, 01:49:28 am
Nice to see that you have seen this.

Regarding your statement of being gruesome and unnerving, I can agree partially. Much of the violence is actually implied, and it works as a sort of psychological horror, that is on how can our minds be **** at what's happening off-screen, which helps with how natural the whole picture feels, exemplified by the use of actual rain and technical flaws that are intentional for the reason explained above. That child actor is legendary, probably the sort of performance from a child, ever.

Also, if you thought that it was fantastic until then, wait until the third act. That whole section got stuck with me for at least two months.

All right... I'll finish it tomorrow night. Very excited about this one. I smell a new addition to my Top 100 Films list.

I'll bump this thread when I finish the film so we can discuss it thoroughly.
Title: Re: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: Diego Tutweiller on June 13, 2017, 01:29:28 am
Good God, this movie was a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: Jim Raynor on June 13, 2017, 09:02:22 am
Good God, this movie was a masterpiece.

Haunting third act, isn't it?
Title: Re: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: J. Kashmir on June 17, 2017, 02:01:30 am
Where did you see this, Diego? As far as I know it has no formal DVD release. I'm surprised the Criterion Collection hasn't jumped on that yet.

Also, do you guys consider it better than Apocalypse Now or are the two films apples and oranges?
Title: Re: Anyone here seen Come and See?
Post by: Diego Tutweiller on June 17, 2017, 03:11:52 am
Where did you see this, Diego? As far as I know it has no formal DVD release. I'm surprised the Criterion Collection hasn't jumped on that yet.

Also, do you guys consider it better than Apocalypse Now or are the two films apples and oranges?

Is that really true? I got it from Netflix on DVD. It sat on my queue with the label "very long wait" for about six months beforehand though, so I suppose it's possible that I got one of the three copies in existence.

Interesting question. I should say that Apocalypse Now is currently sitting at position #22 on my all-time favorite films list (Come and See was just added at slot #81, though it'll probably go up the more I think about it). There was very little chance that this movie would make it that far up the list on a first viewing. I tend to reserve my 10/10s for films I've seen more than once.

That being said... while the two films have similar themes and messages, their method of delivery is very different. Apocalypse Now is a dreamlike, ethereal descent-into-hell type of movie. While Come and See certainly has elements of that, it's shot in a far gritter way, with an almost documentary-style approach. I know that word can be used as a negative, but I say this with the highest praise. Every shot feels like it was ripped from an old photo album and then colorized, whereas Apocalypse Now is painted with a palate of weird, otherworldly colors. Come and See's story is also a lot more down-to-earth than Apocalypse Now's, and focuses mainly on a loss of innocence. The movies have their similarities, but I like them both for different reasons.