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Title: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on January 02, 2018, 08:50:06 pm
This movie is coming out in five months, on May 25th. I have not seen a single trailer, promo, or clip from it. Not one poster has been released (assuming that the crap I've seen is fan-made, as it looks too awful to be used by a major studio release). The entire marketing machine for this movie has thus far consisted of a handful of on-set photos of people smiling.

An acting coach was called in for the lead actor. The female lead is played by Emilia Clarke, who most of you know as the worst actress in Game of Thrones. Through the course of its messy production, we've heard that Disney fears it will flop, that Lord and Miller were fired after turning it into a dumb Adam Sandler comedy, and that Ron Howard is now reshooting much of the film. Oh, and of course, it's a film that has no reason to exist aside from making fucktons of money.

I'm sure it'll be great.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: PORG on January 02, 2018, 11:12:31 pm
I'm not expecting it to be good, but I'm excited to see it. At the very least I'm sure it'll be an interesting watch.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on January 02, 2018, 11:20:39 pm
I may end up seeing this film by virtue of my family wanting to see it, though given the option I would probably just wait till DVD. If it gets reviews on par with, say, The Snowman, I may be more curious.

In the event that I end up watching it I would like to make a checklist/bingo board based on RLM's predictions for the film:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kjEd3DpH_e0
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on January 03, 2018, 01:07:23 am
I'm not expecting it to be good, but I'm excited to see it. At the very least I'm sure it'll be an interesting watch.

This is how I felt about Suicide Squad.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Flounder Prefers Browntown on January 09, 2018, 08:46:14 pm
Oh Lord... (https://t.co/riAJL2cehV)
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on February 04, 2018, 07:20:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omBZ_4eZFBE

"I'm gonna be a pilot. Best in the galaxy."
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 13, 2018, 12:28:04 pm
Disney shills have their reservations with the film, but the Disney dollars are powerful tools. (https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/solo-a-star-wars-story-buzz/)
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 17, 2018, 06:09:41 pm
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 17, 2018, 06:43:09 pm
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?
I think it’ll just plateau there. There’s no pocket too deep in the House of Mouse.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 17, 2018, 06:45:07 pm
You won’t believe what Lando Calrissian’s SEXUAL ORIENTATION is!!!! (https://www.thewrap.com/lando-calrissian-pansexual-solo-screenwriter/)
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 17, 2018, 07:25:42 pm
You won’t believe what Lando Calrissian’s SEXUAL ORIENTATION is!!!! (https://www.thewrap.com/lando-calrissian-pansexual-solo-screenwriter/)

:D <3 Friendly reminder that:

#SuluisGay
#InaraSerraisBisexual
#TeddyLupinisGenderfluid
#BellaSwanisTransspecies
#TheDoctorisTransgender
#KatnissEverdeenisaDemiasexualPolygenderAndrogene

So many queer heroes! Omg!
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 17, 2018, 07:26:06 pm
You won’t believe what Lando Calrissian’s SEXUAL ORIENTATION is!!!! (https://www.thewrap.com/lando-calrissian-pansexual-solo-screenwriter/)

:D <3 Friendly reminder that:

#SuluisGay
#InaraSerraisBisexual
#TeddyLupinisGenderfluid
#BellaSwanisTransspecies
#TheDoctorisTransgender
#KatnissEverdeenisaDemiasexualPolygenderAndrogene

So many queer heroes! Omg!

Okay, I actually threw up in my mouth a little while typing this.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 17, 2018, 07:31:07 pm
You won’t believe what Lando Calrissian’s SEXUAL ORIENTATION is!!!! (https://www.thewrap.com/lando-calrissian-pansexual-solo-screenwriter/)

:D <3 Friendly reminder that:

#SuluisGay
#InaraSerraisBisexual
#TeddyLupinisGenderfluid
#BellaSwanisTransspecies
#TheDoctorisTransgender
#KatnissEverdeenisaDemiasexualPolygenderAndrogene

So many queer heroes! Omg!
If they really wanted to cover their bases with a pansexual character they should have cast Janelle Monae in a role. The Sally Jane Blacks of the world will repeat their grievances with The Danish Girl since a (presumably) heterosexual actor is playing a queer character.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 17, 2018, 07:33:04 pm
You won’t believe what Lando Calrissian’s SEXUAL ORIENTATION is!!!! (https://www.thewrap.com/lando-calrissian-pansexual-solo-screenwriter/)

:D <3 Friendly reminder that:

#SuluisGay
#InaraSerraisBisexual
#TeddyLupinisGenderfluid
#BellaSwanisTransspecies
#TheDoctorisTransgender
#KatnissEverdeenisaDemiasexualPolygenderAndrogene

So many queer heroes! Omg!
If they really wanted to cover their bases with a pansexual character they should have cast Janelle Monae in a role. The Sally Jane Blacks of the world will repeat their grievances with The Danish Girl since a (presumably) heterosexual actor is playing a queer character.

That woman makes degenerate music.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on May 18, 2018, 09:56:02 pm
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?

I hope it tanks tbh.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on May 18, 2018, 10:00:18 pm
You won’t believe what Lando Calrissian’s SEXUAL ORIENTATION is!!!! (https://www.thewrap.com/lando-calrissian-pansexual-solo-screenwriter/)

:D <3 Friendly reminder that:

#SuluisGay
#InaraSerraisBisexual
#TeddyLupinisGenderfluid
#BellaSwanisTransspecies
#TheDoctorisTransgender
#KatnissEverdeenisaDemiasexualPolygenderAndrogene

So many queer heroes! Omg!
If they really wanted to cover their bases with a pansexual character they should have cast Janelle Monae in a role. The Sally Jane Blacks of the world will repeat their grievances with The Danish Girl since a (presumably) heterosexual actor is playing a queer character.

No - THIS is the answer...


https://view.yahoo.com/show/saturday-night-live/clip/40037316/it-s-pat
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 25, 2018, 10:48:50 pm
We’ve reached a time where a Star Wars film could either bomb or severely underperform. Thanks, Kathleen Kennedy! (http://variety.com/2018/film/news/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-memorial-day-weekend-1202822710/)
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Crohn's Boy on May 25, 2018, 11:40:13 pm
It's lame.  Great final 20 minutes though.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 26, 2018, 12:19:17 am
Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Crohn's Boy on May 26, 2018, 12:42:43 am
Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 26, 2018, 12:56:50 am
Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.

Ask Kathleen if she can pay you in cash. I have a feeling her checks will be bouncing in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 26, 2018, 11:57:08 am
Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.
That’s a higher amount of defense than many would bother for a film they only enjoyed the last twenty minutes of.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Crohn's Boy on May 26, 2018, 12:55:01 pm
Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.
That’s a higher amount of defense than many would bother for a film they only enjoyed the last twenty minutes of.

I mean, his comment was complete bullshit and he knew it too.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 26, 2018, 02:28:43 pm
Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.
That’s a higher amount of defense than many would bother for a film they only enjoyed the last twenty minutes of.

I mean, his comment was complete bullshit and he knew it too.

Moody, I get that your dad's movie theater is having financial troubles. But you don't have to shill for Disney in order to make ends meet. Try something a little less shameful, like turning tricks.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 27, 2018, 11:36:43 am
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/)
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on May 27, 2018, 02:50:46 pm


This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/)

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and  less than half (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4402&p=.htm) of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars2016.htm) did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million (https://variety.com/2018/film/features/solo-a-star-wars-story-directors-reshoots-ron-howard-1202817841/) after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#48bf50d6221f).
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on May 27, 2018, 03:06:59 pm
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?

So yeah, it didn't budge at all, one way or the other. Btw, the scores from Russian critics are so far second highest (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/soloastarwarsstory/) for all the Disney Wars, at 76 (that's a Metacritic-style score, not a positive/negative percentage), with Farce Awakens being at 80 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarstheforceawakens/), Last Jedi at 73 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarsthelastjedi/) and Rogue One (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/rogueoneastarwarsstory/) at 72.

At the same time, Rogue One is by far in the userscore lead with 85, TFA at 76, and Last Jedi at 67, while this is currently at 78, but might well drop. Granted, not many people vote there (TFA had 77 user votes, RO 58 and TLJ 70), but it does concur with other opinions I have seen online or heard IRL, with nearly everyone putting Rogue One in the lead. I think this might be because it finally admitted rebels were just terrorists, which is what we thought all along. I suppose I ought to finally watch it, to see whether I would side more with the Oasis consensus, or that of our cinemagoers.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Rupert Pupkin on May 27, 2018, 03:08:17 pm
Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and  less than half (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4402&p=.htm) of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars2016.htm) did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million (https://variety.com/2018/film/features/solo-a-star-wars-story-directors-reshoots-ron-howard-1202817841/) after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#48bf50d6221f).

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on May 27, 2018, 03:27:24 pm


This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/)

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and  less than half (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4402&p=.htm) of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars2016.htm) did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million (https://variety.com/2018/film/features/solo-a-star-wars-story-directors-reshoots-ron-howard-1202817841/) after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#48bf50d6221f).

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

If we assume a $250 million budget, then it should have had something around $700 million to be successful. The numbers it's currently tracking for are barely double its budget, which is not enough when given the cinemas' take and the marketing costs. Grossing 2,5 times a film's budget is usually the minimum break-even point (unless it's something enormously acclaimed, like Fury Road, or Edge of Tomorrow, which grossed a bit less, but are still getting sequels); for this, that would likely be $625 million. Making 3X budget is  what usually defines a hit; at $250 million, that's works out to $750 million.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Crohn's Boy on May 27, 2018, 04:26:55 pm
Pretty hilarious to see a successful franchise like this completely bomb.  Disney definitely needs to rework their strategy with these films.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Crohn's Boy on May 27, 2018, 04:31:08 pm
Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and  less than half (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4402&p=.htm) of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars2016.htm) did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million (https://variety.com/2018/film/features/solo-a-star-wars-story-directors-reshoots-ron-howard-1202817841/) after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#48bf50d6221f).

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on May 27, 2018, 06:07:49 pm
5.5/10.  Some good, some bad (some really bad).  I like Emilia Clarke a lot - loved her in Me Before You.  Thought some of the Solo/Chewy scenes were pretty cool.  Some things were absurd (the worm thing at the beginning for example).  Thought the ending was actually pretty strong.  Much better than Force Awakens.  Prefer it over Jedi. 
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 27, 2018, 06:21:13 pm
People who paid to see this are going straight to hell.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Rupert Pupkin on May 27, 2018, 08:00:04 pm
Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and  less than half (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4402&p=.htm) of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars2016.htm) did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million (https://variety.com/2018/film/features/solo-a-star-wars-story-directors-reshoots-ron-howard-1202817841/) after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#48bf50d6221f).

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.

What I'm saying is that theres a chance for it to not have a huge drop next weekend, as nothing is really coming out to compete with it. Also, Phantom Menace is not an apt comparison. 16 years of anticipation > 5 months of anticipation for Han Solo's origin story.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Crohn's Boy on May 27, 2018, 08:18:58 pm
Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and  less than half (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4402&p=.htm) of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars2016.htm) did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million (https://variety.com/2018/film/features/solo-a-star-wars-story-directors-reshoots-ron-howard-1202817841/) after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#48bf50d6221f).

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.

What I'm saying is that theres a chance for it to not have a huge drop next weekend, as nothing is really coming out to compete with it. Also, Phantom Menace is not an apt comparison. 16 years of anticipation > 5 months of anticipation for Han Solo's origin story.

It's not whether or not Solo is a good comparison to Phantom Menace.  The fact that it'll make less than half of it in 1999 dollars with a budget that's nearly three times the size of that film is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Rupert Pupkin on May 27, 2018, 08:30:02 pm
Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and  less than half (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4402&p=.htm) of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars2016.htm) did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million (https://variety.com/2018/film/features/solo-a-star-wars-story-directors-reshoots-ron-howard-1202817841/) after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/27/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-with-148m-global-weekend/#48bf50d6221f).

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.

What I'm saying is that theres a chance for it to not have a huge drop next weekend, as nothing is really coming out to compete with it. Also, Phantom Menace is not an apt comparison. 16 years of anticipation > 5 months of anticipation for Han Solo's origin story.

It's not whether or not Solo is a good comparison to Phantom Menace.  The fact that it'll make less than half of it in 1999 dollars with a budget that's nearly three times the size of that film is embarrassing.

I mean, you could say that about any film. The Phantom Menace was one of the best performing blockbusters ever. It barely dropped, week after week. To compare Solo to it makes very little sense. Also, you realize that budgets also rise with inflation? In today's dollars Phantom Menace's budget would be about $170 million. That is pretty comparable to Solo before reshoots, which don't affect box office performance at all. Sure, Solo didn't make as much money as it was expected to. But what you're saying is nonsensical, and seems like you're reaching for ways to bash the film.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Crohn's Boy on May 27, 2018, 09:04:00 pm
With inflation, yes, Phantom Menace would've costed more.  But the 2.5x-3x breakeven point hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not looking for ways to bash the film, Solo is a flop no matter how you slice it.  It cost $300M to make and is performing like shit overseas.  It will probably make around $200M domestic and might not even reach or just barely go over $400M worldwide.  There is a 0.0001% chance this film is profitable.  I just think the Phantom Menace comparison is funny because it couldn't even manage half of its gross despite it releasing 19 years ago, when something like Rogue One which had very little recognizable characters (who weren't even the main characters) managed to outgross it.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Rupert Pupkin on May 27, 2018, 09:23:14 pm
With inflation, yes, Phantom Menace would've costed more.  But the 2.5x-3x breakeven point hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not looking for ways to bash the film, Solo is a flop no matter how you slice it.  It cost $300M to make and is performing like shit overseas.  It will probably make around $200M domestic and might not even reach or just barely go over $400M worldwide.  There is a 0.0001% chance this film is profitable.  I just think the Phantom Menace comparison is funny because it couldn't even manage half of its gross despite it releasing 19 years ago, when something like Rogue One which had very little recognizable characters (who weren't even the main characters) managed to outgross it.

Sure, it'll flop. I just don't see what that has to do with comparing it to The Phantom Menace. I don't think that the comparison works at all, and apart from the Star Wars name, what do the two films have in common? Solo's a generic blockbuster that no one really anticipated coming just 5 months off the heels of the most divisive Star Wars movie since... The Phantom Menace. If anything, I'd compare it to Attack of the Clones, being the second film of a sub-series, which coincidentally made $350 million less than its predecessor. You might think the comparison is funny, but it doesn't make much sense, and only serves to paint the film in an even more negative light.

I'm just trying to watch LeBron choke here, didn't want to have to defend a film I don't even care about lol.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: ChillinDylan Godsend on May 27, 2018, 10:37:17 pm
People who paid to see this are going straight to hell.

I paid for A Quiet Place by the way. 
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 29, 2018, 08:55:09 pm
You know... I preferred this to Rogue One.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Some thoughts:
-  Ehrenreich was better than I expected. His performance is more of an emulation of Han’s essence rather than a Harrison Ford impressionh/wholesale takeover of the role which is probably the best we could expect from any actor at this rate. He has good chemistry with Chewie.
- First act was reasonably engaging though not without faults; some of the origin story stuff was tacky (e.g. how he got his name) but I was reasonable invested.
- The entire Kessel sequence was probably where the film drags the most. It suffers from some of the disparate storytelling tendencies shared by Rogue One. Fanservice overall was less egregious than that film though.
- None of the character deaths had any weight. I had no problem with Droid Anita Sarkeesian kicking the bucket.
- I see the complaints with the cinematography being ugly but I’m just neutral toward it. I see the intent but the execution with that lighting could have been better (see Blade Runner 2049, for example).
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tut on May 29, 2018, 09:02:34 pm
You know... I preferred this to Rogue One.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I prefer being garroted to Rogue One.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Tho Master Fie on May 29, 2018, 09:06:23 pm
You know... I preferred this to Rogue One.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I preferred that video of a toddler being hit by a dump truck to Rogue One.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on May 30, 2018, 10:28:27 pm
When John Tyler doesn't become the prodigal poster (https://letterboxd.com/johntyler/film/solo-a-star-wars-story/#comment-3080552):

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7a/d0/02/7ad002d6c6e2c078e9ce6161bdb21896.gif)
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on June 02, 2018, 05:32:54 am
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?

So yeah, it didn't budge at all, one way or the other. Btw, the scores from Russian critics are so far second highest (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/soloastarwarsstory/) for all the Disney Wars, at 76 (that's a Metacritic-style score, not a positive/negative percentage), with Farce Awakens being at 80 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarstheforceawakens/), Last Jedi at 73 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarsthelastjedi/) and Rogue One (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/rogueoneastarwarsstory/) at 72.

At the same time, Rogue One is by far in the userscore lead with 85, TFA at 76, and Last Jedi at 67, while this is currently at 78, but might well drop. Granted, not many people vote there (TFA had 77 user votes, RO 58 and TLJ 70), but it does concur with other opinions I have seen online or heard IRL, with nearly everyone putting Rogue One in the lead. I think this might be because it finally admitted rebels were just terrorists, which is what we thought all along. I suppose I ought to finally watch it, to see whether I would side more with the Oasis consensus, or that of our cinemagoers.

Also, it apparently opened below Deadpool 2's second week here, which is quite embarrassing.

Something else I have been wondering about recently: do you think its failure will also put the brakes on the Boba Fett movie, or does the Disney machine now have too much inertia associated with it?
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on June 02, 2018, 09:03:09 am
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?

So yeah, it didn't budge at all, one way or the other. Btw, the scores from Russian critics are so far second highest (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/soloastarwarsstory/) for all the Disney Wars, at 76 (that's a Metacritic-style score, not a positive/negative percentage), with Farce Awakens being at 80 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarstheforceawakens/), Last Jedi at 73 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarsthelastjedi/) and Rogue One (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/rogueoneastarwarsstory/) at 72.

At the same time, Rogue One is by far in the userscore lead with 85, TFA at 76, and Last Jedi at 67, while this is currently at 78, but might well drop. Granted, not many people vote there (TFA had 77 user votes, RO 58 and TLJ 70), but it does concur with other opinions I have seen online or heard IRL, with nearly everyone putting Rogue One in the lead. I think this might be because it finally admitted rebels were just terrorists, which is what we thought all along. I suppose I ought to finally watch it, to see whether I would side more with the Oasis consensus, or that of our cinemagoers.

Also, it apparently opened below Deadpool 2's second week here, which is quite embarrassing.

Something else I have been wondering about recently: do you think its failure will also put the brakes on the Boba Fett movie, or does the Disney machine now have too much inertia associated with it?
They’ll probably just give all these upcoming films December releases and presumably double down on diverse casts or what not. For the Boba Fett film, for example, they might cast Daniel Logan (the guy who played kid Boba Fett in AotC) again and hype the fact that he’s Maori since modern Disney films love loudly pronouncing their progressivism in their marketing (hence the whole “Lando is pansexual” thing that was alluded to once in the actual film). Going forward they’ll probably focus more on America/Europe because China just doesn’t care about these films.

Of course, I could be wrong, and they’ll just repeat all their mistakes again and blame the alt-right or whatever.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on June 02, 2018, 11:11:17 am
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?

So yeah, it didn't budge at all, one way or the other. Btw, the scores from Russian critics are so far second highest (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/soloastarwarsstory/) for all the Disney Wars, at 76 (that's a Metacritic-style score, not a positive/negative percentage), with Farce Awakens being at 80 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarstheforceawakens/), Last Jedi at 73 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarsthelastjedi/) and Rogue One (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/rogueoneastarwarsstory/) at 72.

At the same time, Rogue One is by far in the userscore lead with 85, TFA at 76, and Last Jedi at 67, while this is currently at 78, but might well drop. Granted, not many people vote there (TFA had 77 user votes, RO 58 and TLJ 70), but it does concur with other opinions I have seen online or heard IRL, with nearly everyone putting Rogue One in the lead. I think this might be because it finally admitted rebels were just terrorists, which is what we thought all along. I suppose I ought to finally watch it, to see whether I would side more with the Oasis consensus, or that of our cinemagoers.

Also, it apparently opened below Deadpool 2's second week here, which is quite embarrassing.

Something else I have been wondering about recently: do you think its failure will also put the brakes on the Boba Fett movie, or does the Disney machine now have too much inertia associated with it?
They’ll probably just give all these upcoming films December releases and presumably double down on diverse casts or what not. For the Boba Fett film, for example, they might cast Daniel Logan (the guy who played kid Boba Fett in AotC) again and hype the fact that he’s Maori since modern Disney films love loudly pronouncing their progressivism in their marketing (hence the whole “Lando is pansexual” thing that was alluded to once in the actual film). Going forward they’ll probably focus more on America/Europe because China just doesn’t care about these films.

Of course, I could be wrong, and they’ll just repeat all their mistakes again and blame the alt-right or whatever.

Yeah, I still do not understand why they didn't go for the November/December release. I even checked releases for those months (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&yr=2018&p=.htm), and it still doesn't make sense: did they really think it would have a harder time competing with Aquaman and Bumblebee than with Infinity War, Deadpool 2 and their own franchise fatigue?

Now, while hoping that Episode IX flops is too much, do you think it now has a good chance of grossing below a billion? That would send a good message in and of itself, and may even get them to reconsider the "next trilogy" crap.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on June 09, 2018, 01:04:57 pm
Opening at 71%. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story) How far do y'all think this could drop?

So yeah, it didn't budge at all, one way or the other. Btw, the scores from Russian critics are so far second highest (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/soloastarwarsstory/) for all the Disney Wars, at 76 (that's a Metacritic-style score, not a positive/negative percentage), with Farce Awakens being at 80 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarstheforceawakens/), Last Jedi at 73 (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/starwarsthelastjedi/) and Rogue One (http://www.kritikanstvo.ru/movies/rogueoneastarwarsstory/) at 72.

At the same time, Rogue One is by far in the userscore lead with 85, TFA at 76, and Last Jedi at 67, while this is currently at 78, but might well drop. Granted, not many people vote there (TFA had 77 user votes, RO 58 and TLJ 70), but it does concur with other opinions I have seen online or heard IRL, with nearly everyone putting Rogue One in the lead. I think this might be because it finally admitted rebels were just terrorists, which is what we thought all along. I suppose I ought to finally watch it, to see whether I would side more with the Oasis consensus, or that of our cinemagoers.

Also, it apparently opened below Deadpool 2's second week here, which is quite embarrassing.

Something else I have been wondering about recently: do you think its failure will also put the brakes on the Boba Fett movie, or does the Disney machine now have too much inertia associated with it?
They’ll probably just give all these upcoming films December releases and presumably double down on diverse casts or what not. For the Boba Fett film, for example, they might cast Daniel Logan (the guy who played kid Boba Fett in AotC) again and hype the fact that he’s Maori since modern Disney films love loudly pronouncing their progressivism in their marketing (hence the whole “Lando is pansexual” thing that was alluded to once in the actual film). Going forward they’ll probably focus more on America/Europe because China just doesn’t care about these films.

Of course, I could be wrong, and they’ll just repeat all their mistakes again and blame the alt-right or whatever.

Yeah, I still do not understand why they didn't go for the November/December release. I even checked releases for those months (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&yr=2018&p=.htm), and it still doesn't make sense: did they really think it would have a harder time competing with Aquaman and Bumblebee than with Infinity War, Deadpool 2 and their own franchise fatigue?

Now, while hoping that Episode IX flops is too much, do you think it now has a good chance of grossing below a billion? That would send a good message in and of itself, and may even get them to reconsider the "next trilogy" crap.
Responding really late here, but it’s essentially guaranteed to cross the billion dollar mark. Traditionally the second film in a Star Wars trilogy makes the least money while the final film surpasses it by a somewhat significant margin (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=starwars.html), and if the Last Jedi, for all its polarization, could pass that mark by $300 million, then Episode IX’s fortunes are looking rosy.

I could see its box office dipping a bit in America due to franchise fatigue but I think rather than bombing it’d more or less plateau out with a similar gross to TLJ a la the last Hobbit film.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on June 13, 2018, 06:17:23 pm
A review from state-owned "Russian Newspaper" gave it 4,5/5 stars because the writer saw true revolutionary parallels in it:

Han Solo also consists out of jokes, love, other eternal values, a space cthulthu, adrenaline-boosting chases on various vehicles and the revolutionary socialist ideas.

No, really, what did you expect? The Empire conducts wars of conquest (as illustrated with a brief travel to the hell on the frontlines) not just for any reason, but for money. Hence, someone must fund these wars. In particular, the accursed capitalists - the corporations who do not disdain either the mutually beneficial links with the criminal underworld, the brutal exploitation of workers, or the plain robbery of the people. 

The role of the voice of the proletariat, the flame-hearted Danko, the prophet of the revolution, is given to L3, the droid with the behaviours of a a boisterous black woman. She raises the miners' mutiny and then passes the spark of the revolutionary idea to Solo. In his turn, he essentially provides a massive push to the rebellious movement.

This leads us to an unexpected conclusion: if the rebels have any end goal, any plan for managing the galaxy after they depose the emperor's regime, it's quite possible that their goal is the institution of a socialist state. The Union of the Soviet Socialist Planets. A place where there's a parade on every 4th of May, on every Skywalker's Square next to the regional committee's building. A parade where Octembrists-Younglings march together, with profile of Comrade Luke on their lapel pins, and carry placards bearing words "The work of the droid L3 lives on and wins to this day!" What a beautiful picture. Even Ivan Ephremov would have shed a tear here.
 (https://rg.ru/2018/05/23/han-solo-na-puti-k-socialisticheskoj-revoliucii-i-svetlomu-budushchemu.html)
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Charles Longboat Jr. on June 13, 2018, 06:28:28 pm
A review from state-owned "Russian Newspaper" gave it 4,5/5 stars because the writer saw true revolutionary parallels in it:

Han Solo also consists out of jokes, love, other eternal values, a space cthulthu, adrenaline-boosting chases on various vehicles and the revolutionary socialist ideas.

No, really, what did you expect? The Empire conducts wars of conquest (as illustrated with a brief travel to the hell on the frontlines) not just for any reason, but for money. Hence, someone must fund these wars. In particular, the accursed capitalists - the corporations who do not disdain either the mutually beneficial links with the criminal underworld, the brutal exploitation of workers, or the plain robbery of the people. 

The role of the voice of the proletariat, the flame-hearted Danko, the prophet of the revolution, is given to L3, the droid with the behaviours of a a boisterous black woman. She raises the miners' mutiny and then passes the spark of the revolutionary idea to Solo. In his turn, he essentially provides a massive push to the rebellious movement.

This leads us to an unexpected conclusion: if the rebels have any end goal, any plan for managing the galaxy after they depose the emperor's regime, it's quite possible that their goal is the institution of a socialist state. The Union of the Soviet Socialist Planets. A place where there's a parade on every 4th of May, on every Skywalker's Square next to the regional committee's building. A parade where Octembrists-Younglings march together, with profile of Comrade Luke on their lapel pins, and carry placards bearing words "The work of the droid L3 lives on and wins to this day!" What a beautiful picture. Even Ivan Ephremov would have shed a tear here.
 (https://rg.ru/2018/05/23/han-solo-na-puti-k-socialisticheskoj-revoliucii-i-svetlomu-budushchemu.html)
That last paragraph is (perhaps deliberately) a lot of wishful thinking that doesn’t reflect much of the actual film’s ending. Of course, the writer is entitled to his or her opinion.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on June 13, 2018, 06:53:58 pm
That last paragraph is (perhaps deliberately) a lot of wishful thinking that doesn’t reflect much of the actual film’s ending. Of course, the writer is entitled to his or her opinion.

Of course it is ironic. Remember, this newspaper is supposed to be the serious, measured voice of the state (which few people read, at least over here), as opposed to the multitude of the boisterous TV channels. Hence, their film reviews I've seen all have this tone where it's clear the writer considers it harmless fun and/or clearly would rather talk about politics again, like in this review.
Title: Re: Disney's™ Marvel's™ Han Solo™ Solo Standalone Film: A Star™ Wars™ Story
Post by: Robert Neville on June 21, 2018, 03:41:18 pm
YES! (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/21/star-wars-spin-offs-solo-crashes-at-box-office-lucasfilm-episodes-franchise-results-prequel)