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Kind of random, but I find the Citizen Kane clapping gif really cringey.
In that specific context or in general?
Definitely in that specific context but also generally.
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Kind of random, but I find the Citizen Kane clapping gif really cringey.
In that specific context or in general?
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Kind of random, but I find the Citizen Kane clapping gif really cringey.
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General Movie/Television Discussion Board / Re: THE OFFICIAL MOVIE WATCHING THREAD
« Last post by Tut on August 18, 2018, 02:15:06 pm »
Another Hazelrabbit?

I will not allow a child molester to be the last person to post on this forum.

Although honestly, it'd be fitting...
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General Discussion / Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Last post by Tut on August 17, 2018, 09:06:12 pm »
Look, I'm for fairness but I honestly don't think there's a leftist equivalent of InfoWars. The shit peddled on that site is so outlandish as to be completely and entirely unbelievable. While I agree that something like that isn't necessarily as dangerous as a Fox News or Occupy Democrats, at least those outlets have some basis in reality. Like, Occupy Democrats certainly posts biased and misleading information but (to the best of my knowledge) they don't just make things up, which is what separates InfoWars. Also can't speak to the bigotry part of the InfoWars ban much, but I suppose that's another form of differentiation. I just think Alex Jones is a far cry from Ben Shapiro, a clearly intelligent man with a degree from Harvard Law who has a clear grasp on reality. Jones just makes things up to pander to a small segment of the population that will clearly eat up anything and buy his products. His status as a talking head also makes him different from actual politicians; no one was advocating a social media ban of Roy Moore to the best of my knowledge. Anyway, I think the crux of it is the bigotry charge which sadly has taken on political sides.

As for the Times, I agree that its newsroom certainly leans left and that it reports from that perspective, but it differentiates itself from things like Fox by reporting the news regardless of which side it serves. I trust the publications like WaPo/NYT/WSJ to accurately report facts and report all relevant news which is not something I can say for Fox. As for CNN, I read it on my phone sometimes since their app is free (my school gives me access to the Times and Journal but that can't be used for mobile), but it isn't my perferred outlet, although I don't think it's nearly as biased as some make it out to be.

Fine, I guess I can't really argue against the bolded part unless we get into really obscure stuff-- still, I think that if there was a far-left version of InfoWars, nobody would be pushing for a ban. The excuse would probably be "Well yes, they promote falsehoods, but they don't promote HATE SPEECH," whatever that means.

I'll respond to the rest of this later. Busy as fuck these past few days.
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Movie News / Re: MWO Movie News, a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company
« Last post by Kale Pasta on August 17, 2018, 04:51:12 pm »
To boost ratings and tighten the runtime, the Oscars are now adding a “Best Popular Film” category and presenting the awards people don’t care about during commercial breaks. No word on whether they’ll excise their “meeting the peasants” moments, their montages outside of the In Memorium segment, or at least one Trump joke.
This is getting a lot of shit for obvious reasons but I don't really think it's such a bad idea.

Why?  So films that are popular don't get recognized for their artistic merits on a greater scale?  It's gonna be the same deal with the animation category now, where animated films become practically ignored in the best picture category because there's a whole category for it, which leaves the Oscar voters with the tendency to neglect stuff that should've otherwise been nominated (cough Inside Out).  If this were 2017, Get Out and Dunkirk would be in that category instead of best picture.  If it were 2015, they'd leave out The Martian and Fury Road.

There's also the issue that a lot of films become popular because of their awards recognition.  American Sniper was the highest grossing film of 2014, but it wouldn't be eligible for the category because it made the majority of its money after the nominations were announced.  La La Land, Arrival, Hidden Figures, The Revenant, The Wolf of Wall Street, American Hustle, Zero Dark Thirty, and a lot more are all recent examples of films that became hits because of their acclaim and awards season buzz.  On paper, these should all qualify for "popular film," but they become excluded because of the circumstances that caused them to become popular.

What are they qualifying as a popular film anyway?  Do they just allow anything that made more than, say, $100M domestic?  Do they also allow stuff that cost a certain amount of money to make, so that bombs like John Carter or Valerian can qualify regardless of their box office gross?  What about stuff like Bright, which doesn't get a theatrical release but was built up to be a blockbuster by Netflix, had a $90M budget and a large amount of viewers?  It's such a pointless category that only serves to pander to the people who voted Infinity War into the top 30 on the IMDb 250 and think Josh Brolin deserves a best actor award.  It's like adding Best Kiss to the list of official Oscar categories.  It's especially insulting that they considered this before recognizing other departments that go virtually unrecognized, like stuntmen, and also relegating more technical categories to not air during the broadcast so that these departments can continue to go undervalued in the industry.  VFX artists who worked for months to create the groundbreaking effects in Blade Runner 2049 and War for the Planet of the Apes?  As far as the Academy is concerned, they can fuck off.
I mean, in principle I think it's not a bad idea to have another category so that blockbusters or films in genres like sci-fi/horror with no chance at best picture can get some recognition (Fury Road, The Dark Knight etc.).

However, since you brought to my attention the fact that Infinity War is currently #30 on the IMDB top 250, I take back anything I said and agree that this is a terrible idea since it'll just go to Marvel and Star Wars to appease Disney fanboys.
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General Discussion / Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Last post by Kale Pasta on August 16, 2018, 08:25:22 pm »
Look, it's not like I really disagree with you about any of this except what the solution is. All three of those statements are false, but the issue is that I think there's a reasonable claim for A/B that the source thought they were true when posted (well, maybe not for the GMO one, but perhaps if it was worded less conspiratorially). And yeah, C is also the least dangerous of the three, since honestly anyone who belives shit like that is too far gone to be reasoned with anyway. The problem is that C is the only one blatantly false enough to be banworthy.

However, I think you're fundamentally talking about something far more interesting than the Jones ban, which is how we deal with the flow of misleading information in the current age. I really do think that the most destructive piece of Trump's presidency is how he's tried to convince the populace that basic facts can be questioned and considered false. Things like global warming shouldn't be political battlegrounds, yet here we are having to debate if climate change is real as if it's a legitimate question. I know that particular predates Trump, but it's the idea of "alternative facts" and labelling anything and everything as "fake news" that scares me.

I find your justification in the first paragraph to be flimsy. It can be argued that any conspiracy theorist believes that his claims are true. This is the central problem with "hate speech" laws-- if you're going to set a boundary like that, you need to make sure it's extremely well-defined. Since nobody can define "hate," and since you can't define a "reasonable claim," it's just another vague guideline that will obviously be enforced subjectively. You also say that only C is "blatantly false enough to be banworthy," but since when is being wrong a crime? Where's the barrier for "blatant falsehood?" Those three examples I used exist on a spectrum of wrongness; yeah, they're all incorrect, but to varying degrees. Where do we set that arbitrary limit?

As for the spread of fake news, I still think it's nothing more than a stimulus-response reaction to the left's rhetoric. America has decided that incorrect facts are more worth listening to than people's feelings. Every time a Democrat says "Think of the children," "You're a sociopath who doesn't care about other people," "You're a privileged white male," or any other inane emotion-based garbage, it drives more people to spread and believe fake news out of pure spite. If we were having a rational, centrist debate between the moderate left and the moderate right, this would absolutely not be a problem. However, retards have hijacked our political discourse, and the result is that nobody knows what to believe.
I mean, yeah, it's really hard to define anything along this spectrum for certain. That's why you aim for the easiest, most blatant targets like Jones. I have no idea where the "arbitrary limit" you speak of should be set, but I am absolutely positive that Jones is not within the boundaries of said limit.

And while I agree with you that emotion based politics are unhelpful and even harmful (it's the worst, least convincing argument for gun control in particular), I don't think it has anything to do with Trump and many of his supporters decrying basic facts as misinformation spread by the mainstream media. Honestly, I just don't know how we got to the point where the president claims that journalists are the enemy and slanders reputable outlets like the New York Times as spreading fake news and is subsequently lauded for those actions by his base. Even worse, members of his own party seem to have picked up some of the practices, although mostly just the part where they claim anything that disagrees with them is fake.

When I think of other easy targets, I think of the people on the furthest ends of this spectrum. Ban someone on one side, and you should ban their equivalent on the other.



Ban InfoWars, and you should ban Occupy Democrats. I'm not exaggerating at all here; they're both mechanisms for distributing misinformation to idiots. Morally and factually, they are equals. But which side has gotten more grief in terms of their social media presence? There are a lot of people on the right who I respect (but disagree with on a number of issues)-- Crowder, Shapiro, Peterson, etc-- and I'd say they're disproportionately attacked by the left. These are reasonable people who I don't consider any more radical than Robert Reich or Noam Chompsky. How long until the thought police decide that they don't deserve a platform either? It's very clear that far-left people like Ocasio-Cortez and Jeremy Corbyn are given a pass, while the middle-right people on that scale are treated like varying shades of Alex Jones.

As for the New York Times, again, I respect it as a publication, but it's obviously biased. The same goes for PBS. And then you have CNN, which does bad reporting AND is heavily biased, and which deserves to be lumped in with FOX as an easily-dismissed news source. My biggest problem with the Times is that it won't admit its bias, and continues to present itself as an impartial outlet, which simply isn't true. The Sarah Jeong thing put that premise to bed for good.
Look, I'm for fairness but I honestly don't think there's a leftist equivalent of Infowars. The shit peddled on that site is so outlandish as to be completely and entirely unbelieveable. While I agree that something like that isn't necessarily as dangerous as a Fox News or Occupy Democrats, at least those outlets have some basis in reality. Like, Occupy Democrats certianly posts biased and misleading information but (to the best of my knowledge) they don't just make things up, which is what separates Infowars. Also can't speak to the bigotry part of the Infowars ban much, but I suppose that's another form of differentiation. I just think Alex Jones is a far cry from Ben Shapiro, a clearly intelligent man with a degree from Harvard Law who has a clear grasp on reality. Jones just makes things up to pander to a small segment of the population that will clearly eat up anything and buy his products. His status as a talking head also makes him different from actual politicians; no one was advocating a social media ban of Roy Moore to the best of my knowledge. Anyway, I think the crux of it is the bigotry charge which sadly has taken on political sides.

As for the Times, I agree that its newsroom certainly leans left and that it reports from that perspective, but it differentiates itself from things like Fox by reporting the news regardless of which side it serves. I trust the publications like WaPo/NYT/WSJ to accurately report facts and report all relevant news which is not something I can say for Fox. As for CNN, I read it on my phone sometimes since their app is free (my school gives me access to the Times and Journal but that can't be used for mobile), but it isn't my perferred outlet, although I don't think it's nearly as biased as some make it out to be.
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General Discussion / Re: 2 Fudge 2 Knuckle
« Last post by Kale Pasta on August 16, 2018, 08:14:17 pm »
I've been on vacation with my family for the last little while, mostly camping on an island with no internet access so that's why I haven't been on here. I'm back for the foreseeable future now.
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Kick-Ass is bad.
Top ten all time baby.
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