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New Movie Release Discussion / Re: Geostorm
« Last post by Cutler de Chateau on October 18, 2017, 09:59:50 pm »
RT is savage. Posting this list before the thing even has a score.

Meteor features the destruction of the Twin Towers and RT thinks it's a good idea to use that as the screencap?
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General Movie/Television Discussion Board / Re: The Movie Pitch Thread
« Last post by Diego Tutweiller on October 18, 2017, 08:00:08 pm »
And if Socrates and Plato must be the main protagonists, then I'd focus on Socrates' trial and execution from the perspective of Plato.  Again, my point is to zero in on a topic and stick.  I don't think you can find much entertainment from just trying to tell Socrates' life, his relationship with his students,  mixing in Socratic dialog, and his execution.  Pick one and pick the most engaging aspect (which to many would be the last).

I don't think I said I wanted to tell his whole life's story, and if I did, I didn't mean to. I said it should take place towards the end of his life, encompass the dialogues there, and be told from Plato's perspective. There could be flashbacks to earlier, but that might muddy the waters quite a bit.

I wouldn't choose the allegory of the cave. If you want to talk about things everyone already knows, that's your prime candidate. Plus that's probably the least interesting of all the philosophical concepts we could discuss with this, in that it's so applicable to pretty much any person or situation. Anyone from Gandhi to Hitler could have used the Cave to justify what they did. It's kinda boring. I'd prefer stuff like Euthyphro and the Symposium.

That said, I agree with you on casting unknowns.

My point wasn't to use the Cave.  My point was my direction would to take a Socratic dialogue and build a film around the philosophical truth that was to be learned.  The Cave and the Matrix is simply just an example I came up with because it was the first thing to pop in my head.  I feel as though it'll allow you to gain more freedom in the process and not be bogged down by making a biopic.

That would be really difficult though, because Socrates almost never made grand claims about the nature of reality. The dialogues almost never end with some grand truth being learned; they're more about Socrates ripping apart his opponent's argument and then the two of them agreeing to proceed with an open mind (and admitted ignorance). His wisest moments, in my mind, were when he exposed the stupidity of the political leaders of Athens. That requires dialogues. His whole life was spent questioning authority, so I feel like that should take some level of precedence over other things like The Republic or The Cave.
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General Movie/Television Discussion Board / Re: The Movie Pitch Thread
« Last post by Cutler de Chateau on October 18, 2017, 07:48:46 pm »
And if Socrates and Plato must be the main protagonists, then I'd focus on Socrates' trial and execution from the perspective of Plato.  Again, my point is to zero in on a topic and stick.  I don't think you can find much entertainment from just trying to tell Socrates' life, his relationship with his students,  mixing in Socratic dialog, and his execution.  Pick one and pick the most engaging aspect (which to many would be the last).

I don't think I said I wanted to tell his whole life's story, and if I did, I didn't mean to. I said it should take place towards the end of his life, encompass the dialogues there, and be told from Plato's perspective. There could be flashbacks to earlier, but that might muddy the waters quite a bit.

I wouldn't choose the allegory of the cave. If you want to talk about things everyone already knows, that's your prime candidate. Plus that's probably the least interesting of all the philosophical concepts we could discuss with this, in that it's so applicable to pretty much any person or situation. Anyone from Gandhi to Hitler could have used the Cave to justify what they did. It's kinda boring. I'd prefer stuff like Euthyphro and the Symposium.

That said, I agree with you on casting unknowns.

My point wasn't to use the Cave.  My point was my direction would to take a Socratic dialogue and build a film around the philosophical truth that was to be learned.  The Cave and the Matrix is simply just an example I came up with because it was the first thing to pop in my head.  I feel as though it'll allow you to gain more freedom in the process and not be bogged down by making a biopic.
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General Movie/Television Discussion Board / Re: The Movie Pitch Thread
« Last post by Diego Tutweiller on October 18, 2017, 07:41:22 pm »
And if Socrates and Plato must be the main protagonists, then I'd focus on Socrates' trial and execution from the perspective of Plato.  Again, my point is to zero in on a topic and stick.  I don't think you can find much entertainment from just trying to tell Socrates' life, his relationship with his students,  mixing in Socratic dialog, and his execution.  Pick one and pick the most engaging aspect (which to many would be the last).

I don't think I said I wanted to tell his whole life's story, and if I did, I didn't mean to. I said it should take place towards the end of his life, encompass the dialogues there, and be told from Plato's perspective. There could be flashbacks to earlier, but that might muddy the waters quite a bit.

I wouldn't choose the allegory of the cave. If you want to talk about things everyone already knows, that's your prime candidate. Plus that's probably the least interesting of all the philosophical concepts we could discuss with this, in that it's so applicable to pretty much any person or situation. Anyone from Gandhi to Hitler could have used the Cave to justify what they did. It's kinda boring. I'd prefer stuff like Euthyphro and the Symposium.

That said, I agree with you on casting unknowns.
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General Movie/Television Discussion Board / Re: The Movie Pitch Thread
« Last post by Cutler de Chateau on October 18, 2017, 07:27:50 pm »
If you think the story is unfilmable, or if you have a different angle you'd take, say so. But don't act like the subject is boring, or that everybody already knows everything about it.

Well, firstly, that is the point I'm making.  What you're suggesting is hard to film.  It's a bunch of ideas tossed in one.  That terrible Princess Diana biopic with Naomi Watts at least knew to focus on a story that could be built upon.  What I'd do is something similar to how the Matrix is based on Plato's Allegory of the Cave.  Make a fictional story surrounding Socrates that references his beliefs and philosophy.  That way you can construct an original idea and bend the story to make it far more engaging (and you have a much better way of stretching the film to your 3 hour runtime).  Or do something like what Ralph Fiennes did Coriolanus and set the story in modern times (although I highly advise against this idea).

And if Socrates and Plato must be the main protagonists, then I'd focus on Socrates' trial and execution from the perspective of Plato.  Again, my point is to zero in on a topic and stick.  I don't think you can find much entertainment from just trying to tell Socrates' life, his relationship with his students,  mixing in Socratic dialog, and his execution.  Pick one and pick the most engaging aspect (which to many would be the last).

I haven't given much thought to the casting (or really any of this). I wouldn't cast someone like James Cromwell, who always takes the role of the wise old man. You'd have to get someone with odd, unusual features who looks kind of unassuming. Closer to Christopher Walken than George Clooney. But I don't know who specifically. And someone like Fassbender might be interesting to see as a young Plato. Doing it all in Greek could be really interesting, though. See... now you're being constructive.

For a film like this, I feel as if unknowns would better fit the roles.
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General Movie/Television Discussion Board / Re: The Movie Pitch Thread
« Last post by Diego Tutweiller on October 18, 2017, 06:51:10 pm »
I'm legitimately confused about why this movie hasn't been made yet.

Mainly because he's a man that's hard to replicate and he's well known.  All of what's been said about him can be found in research papers.  The trend for biopics nowadays seems to be exposing an unknown true story a la Hidden Figures or that Wonder Woman guy.  All of what has been said about Socrates has been said.  He's one of the greatest thinkers the world has seen.  His influence is still felt today with a lot of films referencing his and Plato's work.  And if he's not a figure that has a lot of strife and conflict in his life (someone like Caligula) then I find it hard to truly get invested.

Of course, a key aspect would be getting the right people for the roles. I really have no idea who I'd cast here, but if we got it right, it'd probably start some Oscar buzz. Then again, the story is only about old white dudes, which isn't trendy right now, so maybe not.

One of my least favorite trends in Greek films is casting British actors in these roles.  This begs the question: are you planning on having the film in English or go the full Passion of the Christ treatment and have characters at least speak in Greek?

With some exceptions, "unknown" true stories are unknown for a reason. You say nobody wants a Socrates movie? I'd say nobody wants a fifteenth Princess Diana biopic. The story of his death is a tale of misunderstood genius, which I think modern moviegoers could have a great deal of interest in. We just had that Vincent Van Gogh movie come out, and a Teddy Roosevelt biopic is apparently happening now. Why not this?

Also, research papers are not exactly relevant here. The key to this is a synthesis of information and entertainment. Average audience members will not be familiar with a lot of this material. About 30% of Americans are capable of finding North Korea on a map, so I think it's safe to say that they're not exactly well-versed in Greek philosophy. A lot of the story would probably be new to them. Just another reason why your complaints seem really odd to me. If you think the story is unfilmable, or if you have a different angle you'd take, say so. But don't act like the subject is boring, or that everybody already knows everything about it.

I haven't given much thought to the casting (or really any of this). I wouldn't cast someone like James Cromwell, who always takes the role of the wise old man. You'd have to get someone with odd, unusual features who looks kind of unassuming. Closer to Christopher Walken than George Clooney. But I don't know who specifically. And someone like Fassbender might be interesting to see as a young Plato. Doing it all in Greek could be really interesting, though. See... now you're being constructive.
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General Movie/Television Discussion Board / Re: The Movie Pitch Thread
« Last post by Cutler de Chateau on October 18, 2017, 05:54:03 pm »
I'm legitimately confused about why this movie hasn't been made yet.

Mainly because he's a man that's hard to replicate and he's well known.  All of what's been said about him can be found in research papers.  The trend for biopics nowadays seems to be exposing an unknown true story a la Hidden Figures or that Wonder Woman guy.  All of what has been said about Socrates has been said.  He's one of the greatest thinkers the world has seen.  His influence is still felt today with a lot of films referencing his and Plato's work.  And if he's not a figure that has a lot of strife and conflict in his life (someone like Caligula) then I find it hard to truly get invested.

Of course, a key aspect would be getting the right people for the roles. I really have no idea who I'd cast here, but if we got it right, it'd probably start some Oscar buzz. Then again, the story is only about old white dudes, which isn't trendy right now, so maybe not.

One of my least favorite trends in Greek films is casting British actors in these roles.  This begs the question: are you planning on having the film in English or go the full Passion of the Christ treatment and have characters at least speak in Greek?
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