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Author Topic: Black Panther is wildly overrated  (Read 51 times)

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Black Panther is wildly overrated
« on: March 20, 2018, 05:26:03 pm »
So many issues with this film.  I didn't think it was BAD per se, it was just unremarkable - and had a lot of holes...

1-Why is T'Challa so fucking weak?  He basically gets his ass handed to him in BOTH challenges.

2-How is the KING of the entire land based solely on a challenge? Wouldn't basically everybody challenge him every time?  I mean, if all you need to do to become king is win one single fight against a weak-ass, wouldn't you constantly try for the throne?

3-And how did the lineage of the crown pass from his father to him?  We saw his father in Civil War.  He was a small, older dude.  You're telling me none of those big dudes with white on their chests would have challenged and whipped his ass with ease?

4-The BIG FIGHT at the end was essentially a black dude with Black Panther powers wearing a Black Panther suit fighting another black dude with Black Panther powers wearing a Black Panther suit.  How uninteresting is that?

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Re: Black Panther is wildly overrated
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2018, 09:04:35 pm »
So many issues with this film.  I didn't think it was BAD per se, it was just unremarkable - and had a lot of holes...

1-Why is T'Challa so fucking weak?  He basically gets his ass handed to him in BOTH challenges.

2-How is the KING of the entire land based solely on a challenge? Wouldn't basically everybody challenge him every time?  I mean, if all you need to do to become king is win one single fight against a weak-ass, wouldn't you constantly try for the throne?

3-And how did the lineage of the crown pass from his father to him?  We saw his father in Civil War.  He was a small, older dude.  You're telling me none of those big dudes with white on their chests would have challenged and whipped his ass with ease?

4-The BIG FIGHT at the end was essentially a black dude with Black Panther powers wearing a Black Panther suit fighting another black dude with Black Panther powers wearing a Black Panther suit.  How uninteresting is that?
1. It’s probably just a matter of plot convenience that those two occasions were the case (especially in contrast to how the suit makes him invincible). Aside from that the only explanation I can offer is that making him weaker was the point. Perhaps the liquid he drank made him weaker than he would normally be so as to force him to be clever in combat.

2. The nuance that the film appears to make is that the only people challenging the throne are people objecting to or unhappy with their king’s rule. The Wakandan populace doesn’t have as much of a skepticism of authority as, say, the US, so I suppose that was the reason. Maybe in the sequel T’Challa will have to grapple with introducing democracy to Wakanda.

3. Again, we are led to assume that his father probably didn’t make too many missteps during his reign (aside from the central conflict of the film) so they had no reason to depose him.

4. I agree with you here. The final act was kind of dumb, which is unfortunate since I really liked the first two thirds. Everyone was unkillable and as you said, the fight was the same as Iron Man 1.

I did wonder why T’Challa just sat there and let Killmonger kill himself at the end. He could’ve pulled the dagger out of his gut and threw it off a cliff if he wanted to save him.

I also think it would’ve been way more interesting if the film had the guts to actually kill off T’Challa midway through. It would’ve angered the majority of moviegoers but I would’ve welcomed that subversion of expectations, as Killmonger is a more interesting character and it would’ve been interesting to see the civil war mixed with a potential WWIII angle they were pulling for play out.

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Re: Black Panther is wildly overrated
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2018, 11:04:49 am »
So many issues with this film.  I didn't think it was BAD per se, it was just unremarkable - and had a lot of holes...

1-Why is T'Challa so fucking weak?  He basically gets his ass handed to him in BOTH challenges.

2-How is the KING of the entire land based solely on a challenge? Wouldn't basically everybody challenge him every time?  I mean, if all you need to do to become king is win one single fight against a weak-ass, wouldn't you constantly try for the throne?

3-And how did the lineage of the crown pass from his father to him?  We saw his father in Civil War.  He was a small, older dude.  You're telling me none of those big dudes with white on their chests would have challenged and whipped his ass with ease?

4-The BIG FIGHT at the end was essentially a black dude with Black Panther powers wearing a Black Panther suit fighting another black dude with Black Panther powers wearing a Black Panther suit.  How uninteresting is that?
1. It’s probably just a matter of plot convenience that those two occasions were the case (especially in contrast to how the suit makes him invincible). Aside from that the only explanation I can offer is that making him weaker was the point. Perhaps the liquid he drank made him weaker than he would normally be so as to force him to be clever in combat.

2. The nuance that the film appears to make is that the only people challenging the throne are people objecting to or unhappy with their king’s rule. The Wakandan populace doesn’t have as much of a skepticism of authority as, say, the US, so I suppose that was the reason. Maybe in the sequel T’Challa will have to grapple with introducing democracy to Wakanda.

3. Again, we are led to assume that his father probably didn’t make too many missteps during his reign (aside from the central conflict of the film) so they had no reason to depose him.

4. I agree with you here. The final act was kind of dumb, which is unfortunate since I really liked the first two thirds. Everyone was unkillable and as you said, the fight was the same as Iron Man 1.

I did wonder why T’Challa just sat there and let Killmonger kill himself at the end. He could’ve pulled the dagger out of his gut and threw it off a cliff if he wanted to save him.

I also think it would’ve been way more interesting if the film had the guts to actually kill off T’Challa midway through. It would’ve angered the majority of moviegoers but I would’ve welcomed that subversion of expectations, as Killmonger is a more interesting character and it would’ve been interesting to see the civil war mixed with a potential WWIII angle they were pulling for play out.

1. I HATE plot convenience. It's why I despise the last 30 min of TDK so much. If you're too lazy to write a sensible plot, go be a ditch-digger.

2. So that just goes against human nature. People have a desire for power - there's just no way around it. They always think they, themselves, could do better. There is always a challenger - that's why every "free" nation has an election. The idea that everyone is just 100% happy with the way everything is done there is complete fantasy.  PLUS, you had the dudes with white on their bodies actually complaining towards the end that they are basically outcasts and nobody's come to visit them in forever.  At the very least, they would send their biggest, strongest guy to challenge every single time.

3.  And the biggest, strongest of the black w/white dudes would have destroyed the father.

4.  At least in Iron Man 1, the dude had to replicate and upgrade/change the suit a little bit. While, in essence, it was the same, at the very least there were SOME differences.  I mean this was the exact same suit with exact same powers.  It was basically this...




I agree, but there's no way a Marvel movie will have the guts to do that - ESPECIALLY being the first "Black" Marvel movie.  The closest they've really come is killing off Yondu in GOTG 2 - and he was more of a side character than main character.  I don't think Marvel really has the guts to do that - except maybe with CA since it's kind of written in the comics (from what I hear) that Bucky eventually takes over for him.

 

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