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Should this girl be convicted of manslaughter?

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2017, 11:20:08 pm »
By this logic, a person telling someone on a social media site to commit a crime means they also had a hand in it if it ends up happening and deserve to be punished. Even if it was a joke.

That is two different cases, faggot.  This girl knew he would actively kill himself because of her words.  She knew weight behind her words.  Someone making a joke and then a person committing a crime doesn't have the same weight because the person making the joke didn't have intent to have the crime happen. 

It's called the slippery slope, faggot. Cases set precedents.

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2017, 11:20:31 pm »
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2017, 11:20:52 pm »
By this logic, a person telling someone on a social media site to commit a crime means they also had a hand in it if it ends up happening and deserve to be punished. Even if it was a joke.

That is two different cases, faggot.  This girl knew he would actively kill himself because of her words.  She knew weight behind her words.  Someone making a joke and then a person committing a crime doesn't have the same weight because the person making the joke didn't have intent to have the crime happen. 

It's called the slippery slope, faggot. Cases set precedents.

And this case set the right precedent, queer
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2017, 11:21:39 pm »
I mean, I know you two are both desperate, but c'mon.  A psychopath who let her boyfriend kill himself?
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2017, 11:22:23 pm »
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2017, 11:23:43 pm »
Hey, Diego, go kill Frank. 
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2017, 11:23:58 pm »
Dude, I know she's a cunt but we're arguing for something much bigger than her. The fact that she was prosecuted for something like manslaughter because of her words and only her words is what's worrying.

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2017, 11:25:17 pm »
Dude, I know she's a cunt but we're arguing for something much bigger than her. The fact that she was prosecuted for something like manslaughter because of her words and only her words is what's worrying.

i have no qualms with that. in fact i like it.  your words carry weight. 
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2017, 11:42:56 pm »
By this logic, a person telling someone on a social media site to commit a crime means they also had a hand in it if it ends up happening and deserve to be punished. Even if it was a joke.

That is two different cases, faggot.  This girl knew he would actively kill himself because of her words.  She knew weight behind her words.  Someone making a joke and then a person committing a crime doesn't have the same weight because the person making the joke didn't have intent to have the crime happen. 

It's called the slippery slope, faggot. Cases set precedents.

And this case set the right precedent, queer

Geez, I'd never have thought you'd be as much of a fascist as Caleb. This decision not only means that suicidal people aren't responsible for their own actions; it also means that words can be used as a murder weapon in a court case. You really don't see the implications of that?

I'm just glad that this'll probably be overturned in the appeal process. No way will any sane judge allow this to stand.

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2017, 11:49:02 pm »
By this logic, a person telling someone on a social media site to commit a crime means they also had a hand in it if it ends up happening and deserve to be punished. Even if it was a joke.

That is two different cases, faggot.  This girl knew he would actively kill himself because of her words.  She knew weight behind her words.  Someone making a joke and then a person committing a crime doesn't have the same weight because the person making the joke didn't have intent to have the crime happen. 

It's called the slippery slope, faggot. Cases set precedents.

And this case set the right precedent, queer

Geez, I'd never have thought you'd be as much of a fascist as Caleb. This decision not only means that suicidal people aren't responsible for their own actions; it also means that words can be used as a murder weapon in a court case. You really don't see the implications of that?

I'm just glad that this'll probably be overturned in the appeal process. No way will any sane judge allow this to stand.

I have no problem with people who encourage others to harm themselves going to jail.  I'll stand up when it gets ridiculous.
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2017, 11:55:48 pm »
By this logic, a person telling someone on a social media site to commit a crime means they also had a hand in it if it ends up happening and deserve to be punished. Even if it was a joke.

That is two different cases, faggot.  This girl knew he would actively kill himself because of her words.  She knew weight behind her words.  Someone making a joke and then a person committing a crime doesn't have the same weight because the person making the joke didn't have intent to have the crime happen. 

It's called the slippery slope, faggot. Cases set precedents.

And this case set the right precedent, queer

Geez, I'd never have thought you'd be as much of a fascist as Caleb. This decision not only means that suicidal people aren't responsible for their own actions; it also means that words can be used as a murder weapon in a court case. You really don't see the implications of that?

I'm just glad that this'll probably be overturned in the appeal process. No way will any sane judge allow this to stand.

I have no problem with people who encourage others to harm themselves going to jail. I'll stand up when it gets ridiculous.

This site is definitely going to prison, then. Is that what you want? Moody behind bars? He won't last a day.

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2017, 11:58:24 pm »
By this logic, a person telling someone on a social media site to commit a crime means they also had a hand in it if it ends up happening and deserve to be punished. Even if it was a joke.

That is two different cases, faggot.  This girl knew he would actively kill himself because of her words.  She knew weight behind her words.  Someone making a joke and then a person committing a crime doesn't have the same weight because the person making the joke didn't have intent to have the crime happen. 

It's called the slippery slope, faggot. Cases set precedents.

And this case set the right precedent, queer

Geez, I'd never have thought you'd be as much of a fascist as Caleb. This decision not only means that suicidal people aren't responsible for their own actions; it also means that words can be used as a murder weapon in a court case. You really don't see the implications of that?

I'm just glad that this'll probably be overturned in the appeal process. No way will any sane judge allow this to stand.

I have no problem with people who encourage others to harm themselves going to jail. I'll stand up when it gets ridiculous.

This site is definitely going to prison, then. Is that what you want? Moody behind bars? He won't last a day.

The only person who told Aaron to kill himself was Milito and he's long gone.  So no one here is going to jail.
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2017, 12:20:57 am »
Also, let's be real for a second.  This case is an extreme in the sense this girl was actively telling a man and coercing him to kill himself.  She even told him to go back and finish killing himself.  This isn't a typical case of a person telling someone to commit suicide and then that person commits suicide or bullying someone into suicide.  This girl actively held this guy up to it even telling him to get back in the car and used his death for her own self interest.  She deserves to be locked up.
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2017, 12:21:53 am »
Has anyone been keeping up on the story about the girl who encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself? She was found guilty yesterday, in what might be the worst verdict I've seen in my lifetime. This girl could end up going to jail for longer than that preppy Stanford rapist. Longer than Bill Cosby. What the hell?

Am I missing something here? This verdict implies that words themselves were the murder weapon in this case. It's a borderline Orwellian way of twisting the law in order to pass down a guilty verdict. What's next? If Dom Cobb kills himself, or if Aaron slits his wrists, are we all going to be brought up on murder charges?

This is a pretty despicable violation of free speech. Even worse, it implies that the kid who killed himself was essentially not responsible for his own actions. There's a lot of slippery slope potential here. The judge should probably kill himself, tbh.
Idk, just because Brock Turner's sentence was far too light doesn't mean she doesn't deserve punishment. From what I read, she was actively encouraging this dude to kill himself as he was talking about doing it, and then didn't report it or anything after he did (actually sent more texts to try and cover her own back). Fucked up stuff, and I'd say that constitutes manslaughter by definition.

Uh... well, since manslaughter is an act of killing, and she didn't kill the guy, it doesn't constitute manslaughter "by definition." And because of that, there's no way to charge her for it. How was this case even brought before a judge? There's literally no legal precedent for this whatsoever.

What was the murder weapon in this situation? A phone? Words? Bullshit. Words don't kill. There's a movie called The Fisher King with Jeff Bridges that touches on this subject. Bridges plays a radio shock jock who rants about upper-class rich people, and he causes some crazy guy to go shoot up a restaurant. Now, was Bridges morally culpable? Yes. Legally? Absolutely not. You can't legislate against people being assholes. It's a free speech violation.

If you say that this girl killed this guy, you're essentially saying that the kid was not responsible for his own actions. I'm so sick and tired of the cult of victimhood that's sprung up in this country. People make decisions for themselves. This girl is not responsible for anything this guy did. She didn't hold a gun to his head. She wasn't even present at the time. It's an enormous miscarriage of justice.

Don't get me wrong, I think she should be punished. I think her parents should send her to boot camp or something. I think her friends should ostracize her and her teachers should refuse to look her in the eye. But should she go to jail? Absolutely not. I'd have a hard time justifying sentencing her to community service, to be honest. Anything past that is the work of jackbooted authoritarian nanny-state thought police who are frothing at the mouth looking for someone to blame for this ordeal.

Okay, but the fact that she was on the phone listening and knowing someone is actively dying doesn't concern you?  She alerted no one and because of that a person is dead and has caused emotional distress to an entire family.  She is culpable for a crime and deserves a jail sentencing.  Whether she was sentenced for the right crime is left up to debate, but I have no qualms with her being sentenced to jail. 

This is pretty dumb and you know it. In the US you have absolutely no obligation to help a dying person on the street let alone over the phone. And the guy wasn't coerced into doing it, he chose to do it in the end she didn't make him do it. Her saying to him that he should get back in didn't kill him, it was him choosing to get back in the car that lead to his death.

Frank, perhaps Google what you're talking about before you speak.  The only cases in which you are not liable to help are if you are not in any way the cause of the predicament or if you have no special relationship with the victim.  She definitely is indeed considered to have a special relationship to the victim.  She is obligated to help.

So in case this sounded wrong to anyone else, I looked it up, and yeah, this is wrong. Duty to rescue laws exist in some states, including Massachusetts, but they're generally ignored.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

Also, the wording of the laws implies physically rescuing someone, something she was not in a position to do anyway. Plus there's no way to "rescue" someone from a situation that is of their own making, which they could easily get out of with the slightest bit of mental fortitude. Now, she was legally obligated to notify the police of his death, so sure, charge her for that. At most, charge her under these so-called "Good Samaritan Laws" (which I should note are the laughingstock of the justice system). But manslaughter? Lol.

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2017, 12:26:36 am »
Also, let's be real for a second.  This case is an extreme in the sense this girl was actively telling a man and coercing him to kill himself.  She even told him to go back and finish killing himself.  This isn't a typical case of a person telling someone to commit suicide and then that person commits suicide or bullying someone into suicide.  This girl actively held this guy up to it even telling him to get back in the car and used his death for her own self interest.  She deserves to be locked up.

No. As yet another victim of authoritarian injustice, she deserves my deepest sympathies.

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2017, 12:27:31 am »
Also, let's be real for a second.  This case is an extreme in the sense this girl was actively telling a man and coercing him to kill himself.  She even told him to go back and finish killing himself.  This isn't a typical case of a person telling someone to commit suicide and then that person commits suicide or bullying someone into suicide.  This girl actively held this guy up to it even telling him to get back in the car and used his death for her own self interest.  She deserves to be locked up.

No. As yet another victim of authoritarian injustice, she deserves my deepest sympathies.

Having a 8pm curfew doesn't constitute authoritarian injustice, Graham.
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2017, 12:29:51 am »
Also, let's be real for a second.  This case is an extreme in the sense this girl was actively telling a man and coercing him to kill himself.  She even told him to go back and finish killing himself.  This isn't a typical case of a person telling someone to commit suicide and then that person commits suicide or bullying someone into suicide.  This girl actively held this guy up to it even telling him to get back in the car and used his death for her own self interest.  She deserves to be locked up.

No. As yet another victim of authoritarian injustice, she deserves my deepest sympathies.

Having a 8pm curfew doesn't constitute authoritarian injustice, Graham.

Makes more sense than calling a text message a murder weapon, Terf.

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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2017, 12:40:51 am »
Also, let's be real for a second.  This case is an extreme in the sense this girl was actively telling a man and coercing him to kill himself.  She even told him to go back and finish killing himself.  This isn't a typical case of a person telling someone to commit suicide and then that person commits suicide or bullying someone into suicide.  This girl actively held this guy up to it even telling him to get back in the car and used his death for her own self interest.  She deserves to be locked up.

No. As yet another victim of authoritarian injustice, she deserves my deepest sympathies.

Having a 8pm curfew doesn't constitute authoritarian injustice, Graham.

Makes more sense than calling a text message a murder weapon, Terf.

Hey, if you hire a hitman, you're not a murderer!!! At least in Diego's world.  After all, you only told a person how to kill a man.  Not like you are in any way culpable of a crime.  Same goes for mob bosses putting a hit on a person.  Phew.  Glad I live in Graham Vertia.  I feel so safe.
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2017, 12:49:20 am »
Also, let's be real for a second.  This case is an extreme in the sense this girl was actively telling a man and coercing him to kill himself.  She even told him to go back and finish killing himself.  This isn't a typical case of a person telling someone to commit suicide and then that person commits suicide or bullying someone into suicide.  This girl actively held this guy up to it even telling him to get back in the car and used his death for her own self interest.  She deserves to be locked up.

No. As yet another victim of authoritarian injustice, she deserves my deepest sympathies.

Having a 8pm curfew doesn't constitute authoritarian injustice, Graham.

Makes more sense than calling a text message a murder weapon, Terf.

Hey, if you hire a hitman, you're not a murderer!!! At least in Diego's world.  After all, you only told a person how to kill a man.  Not like you are in any way culpable of a crime.  Same goes for mob bosses putting a hit on a person.  Phew.  Glad I live in Graham Vertia.  I feel so safe.

I must've missed the part where the girlfriend promised to pay the boyfriend for killing himself.
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Re: Let's talk about this court case
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2017, 12:49:36 am »
Also, let's be real for a second.  This case is an extreme in the sense this girl was actively telling a man and coercing him to kill himself.  She even told him to go back and finish killing himself.  This isn't a typical case of a person telling someone to commit suicide and then that person commits suicide or bullying someone into suicide.  This girl actively held this guy up to it even telling him to get back in the car and used his death for her own self interest.  She deserves to be locked up.

No. As yet another victim of authoritarian injustice, she deserves my deepest sympathies.

Having a 8pm curfew doesn't constitute authoritarian injustice, Graham.

Makes more sense than calling a text message a murder weapon, Terf.

Hey, if you hire a hitman, you're not a murderer!!! At least in Diego's world.  After all, you only told a person how to kill a man.  Not like you are in any way culpable of a crime.  Same goes for mob bosses putting a hit on a person.  Phew.  Glad I live in Graham Vertia.  I feel so safe.

Gee, I'm pretty sure that we have laws against paying someone to kill someone else, which is totally fair. Makes sense, given that in such a situation, there's an actual murderer and a murder weapon. But suicide is considered to be the responsibility of the person committing suicide, not anyone around them. I suppose teens these days get their brains saturated by retarded shit like 13 Reasons Why, which unfairly shifts the blame away from the person who committed suicide. I just never thought that such idiotic thinking could reach you, the third-smartest person on the Oasis (after Neville and Refn in Treet).

Think about this: if the girl is guilty of manslaughter, that makes her a murderer. If the girl is a murderer, that means a murder was committed. But a murder was not committed. The death was a suicide. A death cannot be both a suicide and a murder, therefore, the girl is not a murderer and did not commit manslaughter.

It's almost like murder and suicide are two different things... wow, what a concept.

 

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