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Author Topic: The 2018 US Midterms and Goober-natorial Elections Thread  (Read 364 times)

ChillinDylan Godsend

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Exactly. Boo-hoo, he wouldn't say the guy was a Muslim. Meanwhile, 90% of Florida is basically beachfront property, and insurance companies have actually stopped insuring some communities on the coast because it'll become too expensive in the near future. But yeah, fuck you Bill Nelson, you radical leftist pinko.

Yeah - pretty much everything you just said is incorrect - except for the "fuck you Bill Nelson" - so you got at least one thing correct.  The "uninsurable" communities are very, very few, and they are super old homes lying so far below sea level that they are imminent flood risks.  Basically the same situation as being able to uninsure homes in California for fire damage that are in high-risk areas - but you weren't gonna mention that, were ya?  But keep touting that garbage-ridden, homeless infused shit pile that is California that I thankfully left 25 years ago before it became a bastion of lunacy. 

ChillinDylan Godsend

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.

"Moderate"?  Yeah, no.  Not moderate.  Flip-flops? Sure - sometimes sides w/Reps because that's the way the wind blows.  But this guy is heavy weapon-ban and is dripping w/love for Muslims above Americans at every turn. He's awful. 

And, again, if you don't read entire sentences, it's very possible you might miss the entire thought of an individual.

Just any Muslims, or Muslims that happen to be American citizens themselves?

The one that shot up the Pulse night club - said he was a "lone wolf" and had nothing to do with Islam before all the evidence came out to the contrary - wouldn't even mention the word Jihad or Muslim when be pressed on the issue and his erroneous assumption that this guy was a lone wolf that had no other agenda.  Then he said it was a gun issue and we needed to ban all assault rifles.  Also had fundraisers and campaign contributions directly from CAIR - which has ties to Hamas.  People here (at least in my area which is near Orlando) were PISSED for the reason I stated before. 

I wonder what you would think of Putin if I told you we had a law passed prohibiting the media to mention criminal suspect's religion under any circumstances more than a decade ago, and he stated at the time, "It doesn't matter what they [the terrorists] have in their heads, what matters is that they decided to start killing about it?" (Paraphrasing from my memory since it was a while ago.)

And the thing is, it worked, though in conjuction with a range of other measures. We went from the horrible situation at the end of the (2nd) Chechen war, to basically no attacks for almost five years, before the one in my city a year ago. It was responded to with little hysteria: instead of endlessly debating what exactly Muslims need to do and what kind of denounciation they need to offer, the reporters just observed as the security agents raided just about every immigrant hideout in Spb with little fuss, and detained basically everyone the guy ever knew. They ended up with 20+ arrests, smashing that cell and showing to all others they'll only ever get one shot before the same happens to them, so they better forget their jihad dreams and cooperate with all the Putin-approved mosques he (or Medvedev, or other officials) visits every year or so instead.

I've actually advocated for the media refusing the release the name of the mass killer.  A lot of this (corroborated by notes left behind in some form) is to become infamous.  If the media was banned from ever mentioning the name of the killer, then this would become much more difficult.  This takes it a step further from Putin's outlawing mentioning the religious aspect of the killer, but it is along the same line of thought.  Withholding the killer's name in any way, shape, or form not only keeps that single person from becoming infamous, but would also keep any other motives and propaganda from being involved.  If the media only says "a shooting took place at so and so that killed 10 people", that would HELP eliminate some of this crap.

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Yeah - pretty much everything you just said is incorrect - except for the "fuck you Bill Nelson" - so you got at least one thing correct.  The "uninsurable" communities are very, very few, and they are super old homes lying so far below sea level that they are imminent flood risks.  Basically the same situation as being able to uninsure homes in California for fire damage that are in high-risk areas - but you weren't gonna mention that, were ya?  But keep touting that garbage-ridden, homeless infused shit pile that is California that I thankfully left 25 years ago before it became a bastion of lunacy. 

I'm seriously blown away that you didn't get my point there. I wasn't making a "Florida is a mudhole" joke; there's no need to get defensive. Yes, California has similar problems. The difference is that we're doing something to slow climate change, and our legislators and executives are willing to say that it's actually happening-- something that Rick Scott (and Daddy Donald, for that matter) refuses to do, either out of political expedience or pure denial. The uninsurable areas will only grow larger as sea levels rise. You had to deliberately misinterpret my point in order to evade what I said, and then resort to generalized attacks on my home state in order to distract from your apparent inability to respond intelligently.

Also, Cutler told me once that you don't "believe" in global warming. I chose to assume that he was not telling the truth, giving you the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully you'll live up to my high expectations. If not, I'll happily explain to you how we know climate change is anthropogenic any day of the week.

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.

Speaking as the designated moderate on this site, you're both nuts.

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Yeah - pretty much everything you just said is incorrect - except for the "fuck you Bill Nelson" - so you got at least one thing correct.  The "uninsurable" communities are very, very few, and they are super old homes lying so far below sea level that they are imminent flood risks.  Basically the same situation as being able to uninsure homes in California for fire damage that are in high-risk areas - but you weren't gonna mention that, were ya?  But keep touting that garbage-ridden, homeless infused shit pile that is California that I thankfully left 25 years ago before it became a bastion of lunacy. 

I'm seriously blown away that you didn't get my point there. I wasn't making a "Florida is a mudhole" joke; there's no need to get defensive. Yes, California has similar problems. The difference is that we're doing something to slow climate change, and our legislators and executives are willing to say that it's actually happening-- something that Rick Scott (and Daddy Donald, for that matter) refuses to do, either out of political expedience or pure denial. The uninsurable areas will only grow larger as sea levels rise. You had to deliberately misinterpret my point in order to evade what I said, and then resort to generalized attacks on my home state in order to distract from your apparent inability to respond intelligently.

Also, Cutler told me once that you don't "believe" in global warming. I chose to assume that he was not telling the truth, giving you the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully you'll live up to my high expectations. If not, I'll happily explain to you how we know climate change is anthropogenic any day of the week.

You were taking a small snippet of "uninsurable" when considering old homes in our very low lying state.  I made a similar analogy to high risk fire areas in California.  I didn't misinterpret your point - you tried to push a narrative that simply doesn't exist - and you don't realize that because you don't live here.  Of course there are some uninsurable parts of Florida - we live in a friggin swamp.  Those low lying areas have been and will continue to be uninsurable, just as the high fire risk areas in Cali will be uninsurable.  Not sure why and how you can't see that.  And saying 90% of the state is on the coast is friggin insanely dumb.  I don't know if it was an attempt at humor or a typo or something - but it's basically the exact opposite of that.

As far as the Rick Scott thing - you continue to miss my point that I am voting for Rick Scott because of my disdain for Bill Nelson.  I don't know how much more clearly I can say that.  It's my prerogative to vote against somebody I don't like, and I will continue to exercise that right.

If you believe what Cutler says, that's on you.  I believe he also told you I was a racist.  So I'd suggest maybe not lending credence to somebody who intentionally stirs up shit at every opportunity.

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.

Speaking as the designated moderate on this site, you're both nuts.

Who designated you that?  And I still find it funny that people think I'm some staunch conservative.


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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.
I mean, Diego and I were both just pointing out that Nelson is widely accepted as a moderate while Scott is an insane person who doesn't believe in global warming. Furthermore, your reason for disliking the guy was that he didn't call some dude Muslim? What the fuck, who cares? That's the type of shit you usually don't care about since it's completely irrelevant to policy.

ChillinDylan Godsend

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.
I mean, Diego and I were both just pointing out that Nelson is widely accepted as a moderate while Scott is an insane person who doesn't believe in global warming. Furthermore, your reason for disliking the guy was that he didn't call some dude Muslim? What the fuck, who cares? That's the type of shit you usually don't care about since it's completely irrelevant to policy.

So you didn't read any part of his gun stance I pointed out, huh?  Go back and read what I wrote.  And "widely accepted" doesn't at all mean "accurate".  I live here.  He's not well liked for a reason.  And the Muslim thing runs a lot deeper than what you and Diego are trying to couch it as.  Beyond that, my original point was I usually gravitate towards the more center candidate unless someone sticks out in a really good or bad way FOR ME.  Nelson falls into the latter FOR ME.  If you can't accept that, then that is your problem.  Trying to paint me as a conservative when all evidence is to the contrary makes you look pretty foolish tbh.

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.

Speaking as the designated moderate on this site, you're both nuts.

Who designated you that?  And I still find it funny that people think I'm some staunch conservative.


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The past is only so indicative of future performance. It's my personal estimation that most arguments you lay out on here are pretty conservative, particularly since Trump was elected (calling me an extreme progressive is another personal indicator, as I always find myself arguing the more conservative side of arguments when I discuss politics with people who are actually very progressive).

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.
I mean, Diego and I were both just pointing out that Nelson is widely accepted as a moderate while Scott is an insane person who doesn't believe in global warming. Furthermore, your reason for disliking the guy was that he didn't call some dude Muslim? What the fuck, who cares? That's the type of shit you usually don't care about since it's completely irrelevant to policy.

So you didn't read any part of his gun stance I pointed out, huh?  Go back and read what I wrote.  And "widely accepted" doesn't at all mean "accurate".  I live here.  He's not well liked for a reason.  And the Muslim thing runs a lot deeper than what you and Diego are trying to couch it as.  Beyond that, my original point was I usually gravitate towards the more center candidate unless someone sticks out in a really good or bad way FOR ME.  Nelson falls into the latter FOR ME.  If you can't accept that, then that is your problem.  Trying to paint me as a conservative when all evidence is to the contrary makes you look pretty foolish tbh.
I find it interesting that you've conveniently ignored everything about the person you're actually voting for, when Scott being a blithering moron has been the crux of what Tut and I have been saying this entire time. It's not a refusal to accept anything, it just appears (not necessarily that this is true though, since I'm not overwhelmingly familiar with either) that you're failing to consistently apply your own logic. I did note the gun thing, but if that's your main gripe with him (the ridiculous Muslim comment doesn't count) then Nelson seems pretty great...

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You were taking a small snippet of "uninsurable" when considering old homes in our very low lying state.  I made a similar analogy to high risk fire areas in California.  I didn't misinterpret your point - you tried to push a narrative that simply doesn't exist - and you don't realize that because you don't live here.  Of course there are some uninsurable parts of Florida - we live in a friggin swamp.  Those low lying areas have been and will continue to be uninsurable, just as the high fire risk areas in Cali will be uninsurable.  Not sure why and how you can't see that.  And saying 90% of the state is on the coast is friggin insanely dumb.  I don't know if it was an attempt at humor or a typo or something - but it's basically the exact opposite of that.

As far as the Rick Scott thing - you continue to miss my point that I am voting for Rick Scott because of my disdain for Bill Nelson.  I don't know how much more clearly I can say that.  It's my prerogative to vote against somebody I don't like, and I will continue to exercise that right.

If you believe what Cutler says, that's on you.  I believe he also told you I was a racist.  So I'd suggest maybe not lending credence to somebody who intentionally stirs up shit at every opportunity.

Yeah, we know-- and you voted for Trump because of your disdain for Clinton. Convenient how this allows you to avoid defending the person who's actually getting your vote. And what "narrative" did I try to push there? My point was that Scott actively silences climate science, even while his state is uniquely vulnerable to the ravages of climate change. That's demonstrably true. There was no reason to bring California into this, because I was talking specifically about the fact that Scott is burying his head in the sand-- something California politicians aren't doing. Stop evading the question and have the balls to actually respond to my criticism of your chosen candidate.

90% was a playful exaggeration to ease the tension. But it's worth noting that upwards of 50% of Florida's population will be in direct danger due to sea level rise in the coming decades.

For the record, Cutler only told us that you said BLM was worse than the KKK.

So you didn't read any part of his gun stance I pointed out, huh?  Go back and read what I wrote.  And "widely accepted" doesn't at all mean "accurate".  I live here.  He's not well liked for a reason.  And the Muslim thing runs a lot deeper than what you and Diego are trying to couch it as.  Beyond that, my original point was I usually gravitate towards the more center candidate unless someone sticks out in a really good or bad way FOR ME.  Nelson falls into the latter FOR ME.  If you can't accept that, then that is your problem.  Trying to paint me as a conservative when all evidence is to the contrary makes you look pretty foolish tbh.

If I recall, you dislike the NRA and think that people on the terrorist watchlist shouldn't have guns. Why is this issue suddenly so important to you?

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The one that shot up the Pulse night club - said he was a "lone wolf" and had nothing to do with Islam before all the evidence came out to the contrary - wouldn't even mention the word Jihad or Muslim when be pressed on the issue and his erroneous assumption that this guy was a lone wolf that had no other agenda.  Then he said it was a gun issue and we needed to ban all assault rifles.  Also had fundraisers and campaign contributions directly from CAIR - which has ties to Hamas.  People here (at least in my area which is near Orlando) were PISSED for the reason I stated before. 
As someone who knows nothing of these 2 candidates, all of this seems quite reasonable honestly...even if the Pulse night club shooter was part of a terrorist organization that associates with Islam, it doesn't mean much.  Groups like ISIS just use Islam as a way to push their terrorist agenda, as the Middle East is so grounded in Muslim traditions that it's the easiest way to recruit people.  But they aren't real Muslims by any means, so it seems like the dude was just trying to advocate against the xenophobic mindset that plagues much of Florida.

And banning citizens from having assault rifles outside of the military seems like a good idea to me...I literally see no upside to having them legalized.

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The one that shot up the Pulse night club - said he was a "lone wolf" and had nothing to do with Islam before all the evidence came out to the contrary - wouldn't even mention the word Jihad or Muslim when be pressed on the issue and his erroneous assumption that this guy was a lone wolf that had no other agenda.  Then he said it was a gun issue and we needed to ban all assault rifles.  Also had fundraisers and campaign contributions directly from CAIR - which has ties to Hamas.  People here (at least in my area which is near Orlando) were PISSED for the reason I stated before. 
As someone who knows nothing of these 2 candidates, all of this seems quite reasonable honestly...even if the Pulse night club shooter was part of a terrorist organization that associates with Islam, it doesn't mean much.  Groups like ISIS just use Islam as a way to push their terrorist agenda, as the Middle East is so grounded in Muslim traditions that it's the easiest way to recruit people.  But they aren't real Muslims by any means, so it seems like the dude was just trying to advocate against the xenophobic mindset that plagues much of Florida.

And banning citizens from having assault rifles outside of the military seems like a good idea to me...I literally see no upside to having them legalized.

It's odd...when someone kills their neighbor and says "I did it because he fucked my wife," nobody doubts him for a second. But when a terrorist blows up a mall and says "I did it because of Islam," everyone assumes that there's some hidden ulterior motive. "No, it's not really about religion-- it's about nationalism, and he's using religion to justify it! Of course!" Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the right one. And to me, it seems pretty logical to say that when your death-obsessed religion is centered around a barbaric warlord who murdered the shit out of thousands of people, you might be driven to violent ends. All religions can lead to terrorism; some are just more uniquely adapted to it than others.

Also, I literally see no upside to banning "assault rifles," but then you knew that.

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.

Speaking as the designated moderate on this site, you're both nuts.

Who designated you that?  And I still find it funny that people think I'm some staunch conservative.


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The past is only so indicative of future performance. It's my personal estimation that most arguments you lay out on here are pretty conservative, particularly since Trump was elected (calling me an extreme progressive is another personal indicator, as I always find myself arguing the more conservative side of arguments when I discuss politics with people who are actually very progressive).

LOL - "the past"?  Ted Cruz?  Pro-choice?  Gay marriage?  Pro-legalization?  Yeah, no man - that's all current.  Still believe George W was an awful president?  Still believe Bill Clinton was the best president of my lifetime?  How is this "the past"?  Please explain.  And, yeah some of my arguments are conservative.  Also, some are liberal - you won't address acknowledge those though.  I've stated from the beginning I bounce from side to side depending on the issue.  Yet somehow you only see the conservative arguments.  Which is why I call you an extreme liberal.  Tell me this, are there any Republican candidates in any election that you have (or WOULD have since you're so young) voted for?

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Once again - your partisan goggles have prevented you from reading what I actually wrote.  I'll make it easier for you:

"I generally prefer the more centrist of the candidate pool - unless someone really sticks out to me in a good or bad way."

There are 2 choices in this race.  Rick Scott or Bill Nelson.  Bill Nelson is horrible - meaning...he sticks out to me in a bad way.  So, by process of elimination, I am voting for Rick Scott.

Do you understand now?

I think he just found it funny that you said you support centrist candidates, right before you turned around and went for swamp-boy Scott over moderate Nelson.
Yeah this was the point I was getting at. Nelson is generally known as a moderate while Rick Scott placed a gag order on the phrases "climate change" and "global warming" within Florida's Department of Environmental Protection. Frankly, I look at something like this and all I see is a conservative (you) attempting to pass yourself as a centrist to somehow make your opinion be taken more seriously.

Says the extreme progressive trying to pass him off as anything but.  Again, you didn't read the part where I'm voting for Scott because of my disdain for Nelson.  But keep pushing the narrative you're trying to get across without any real evidence other than the fact that I'm voting against a Democrat that I really dislike.
I mean, Diego and I were both just pointing out that Nelson is widely accepted as a moderate while Scott is an insane person who doesn't believe in global warming. Furthermore, your reason for disliking the guy was that he didn't call some dude Muslim? What the fuck, who cares? That's the type of shit you usually don't care about since it's completely irrelevant to policy.

So you didn't read any part of his gun stance I pointed out, huh?  Go back and read what I wrote.  And "widely accepted" doesn't at all mean "accurate".  I live here.  He's not well liked for a reason.  And the Muslim thing runs a lot deeper than what you and Diego are trying to couch it as.  Beyond that, my original point was I usually gravitate towards the more center candidate unless someone sticks out in a really good or bad way FOR ME.  Nelson falls into the latter FOR ME.  If you can't accept that, then that is your problem.  Trying to paint me as a conservative when all evidence is to the contrary makes you look pretty foolish tbh.
I find it interesting that you've conveniently ignored everything about the person you're actually voting for, when Scott being a blithering moron has been the crux of what Tut and I have been saying this entire time. It's not a refusal to accept anything, it just appears (not necessarily that this is true though, since I'm not overwhelmingly familiar with either) that you're failing to consistently apply your own logic. I did note the gun thing, but if that's your main gripe with him (the ridiculous Muslim comment doesn't count) then Nelson seems pretty great...

Ah - so he's a "blithering moron" now.  I'm sure from your perspective he is - that doesn't surprise me one bit.  From my perspective he's a better option that Bill Nelson.  I don't see anywhere where you "note the gun thing".  And, again from your perspective, I'm sure you find that to be a minor point and that he's "pretty great".  This is all pretty expected from your position - it's who you are. 

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You were taking a small snippet of "uninsurable" when considering old homes in our very low lying state.  I made a similar analogy to high risk fire areas in California.  I didn't misinterpret your point - you tried to push a narrative that simply doesn't exist - and you don't realize that because you don't live here.  Of course there are some uninsurable parts of Florida - we live in a friggin swamp.  Those low lying areas have been and will continue to be uninsurable, just as the high fire risk areas in Cali will be uninsurable.  Not sure why and how you can't see that.  And saying 90% of the state is on the coast is friggin insanely dumb.  I don't know if it was an attempt at humor or a typo or something - but it's basically the exact opposite of that.

As far as the Rick Scott thing - you continue to miss my point that I am voting for Rick Scott because of my disdain for Bill Nelson.  I don't know how much more clearly I can say that.  It's my prerogative to vote against somebody I don't like, and I will continue to exercise that right.

If you believe what Cutler says, that's on you.  I believe he also told you I was a racist.  So I'd suggest maybe not lending credence to somebody who intentionally stirs up shit at every opportunity.

Yeah, we know-- and you voted for Trump because of your disdain for Clinton. Convenient how this allows you to avoid defending the person who's actually getting your vote. And what "narrative" did I try to push there? My point was that Scott actively silences climate science, even while his state is uniquely vulnerable to the ravages of climate change. That's demonstrably true. There was no reason to bring California into this, because I was talking specifically about the fact that Scott is burying his head in the sand-- something California politicians aren't doing. Stop evading the question and have the balls to actually respond to my criticism of your chosen candidate.

90% was a playful exaggeration to ease the tension. But it's worth noting that upwards of 50% of Florida's population will be in direct danger due to sea level rise in the coming decades.

For the record, Cutler only told us that you said BLM was worse than the KKK.

So you didn't read any part of his gun stance I pointed out, huh?  Go back and read what I wrote.  And "widely accepted" doesn't at all mean "accurate".  I live here.  He's not well liked for a reason.  And the Muslim thing runs a lot deeper than what you and Diego are trying to couch it as.  Beyond that, my original point was I usually gravitate towards the more center candidate unless someone sticks out in a really good or bad way FOR ME.  Nelson falls into the latter FOR ME.  If you can't accept that, then that is your problem.  Trying to paint me as a conservative when all evidence is to the contrary makes you look pretty foolish tbh.

If I recall, you dislike the NRA and think that people on the terrorist watchlist shouldn't have guns. Why is this issue suddenly so important to you?

90%, 50% - are you just pulling numbers out of your butt?  What are you, Barney Stinson?

Cutler - LOL.  Again, does that sound like Cutler baiting maybe?  Just maybe?  You're smarter than that man.

I don't hate the NRA.  Yes, I think people on the terrorist watchlist shouldn't have guns.  Shockingly, that's not a "conservative" position, I know, since I'm such a staunch conservative apparently.  The 2nd Amendment is a big deal to me.  I go out of my way to avoid "gun free zones" because they are essentially leading the lambs to slaughter.  I feel safer when in an area where I know responsible gun owners are allowed to conceal carry.  So does my wife.  It's our prerogative to go with our instincts on that matter.  I do believe there should be SOME restrictions - but I reject those who want to "get rid of the guns".  Again, that's my position and I don't deviate from it.

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The one that shot up the Pulse night club - said he was a "lone wolf" and had nothing to do with Islam before all the evidence came out to the contrary - wouldn't even mention the word Jihad or Muslim when be pressed on the issue and his erroneous assumption that this guy was a lone wolf that had no other agenda.  Then he said it was a gun issue and we needed to ban all assault rifles.  Also had fundraisers and campaign contributions directly from CAIR - which has ties to Hamas.  People here (at least in my area which is near Orlando) were PISSED for the reason I stated before. 
As someone who knows nothing of these 2 candidates, all of this seems quite reasonable honestly...even if the Pulse night club shooter was part of a terrorist organization that associates with Islam, it doesn't mean much.  Groups like ISIS just use Islam as a way to push their terrorist agenda, as the Middle East is so grounded in Muslim traditions that it's the easiest way to recruit people.  But they aren't real Muslims by any means, so it seems like the dude was just trying to advocate against the xenophobic mindset that plagues much of Florida.

And banning citizens from having assault rifles outside of the military seems like a good idea to me...I literally see no upside to having them legalized.

I know you don't.  We see this situation VERY differently.  And we always will. 

And using the "xenophobic mindset" is one of those far-left baiting terms to try and deflect from the fact that there is a faction of Islam that is radical and that wants to eradicate us.  To think differently is pretty naive.  By NOT acknowledging, and in fact going out of one's way to IGNORE that when a situation arises is very disingenuous.  When there's a shooting, we are always looking for the reasons - whether it's a school shooting or a Senator being shot on a baseball field, we are always looking for "why?"  Was there a manifesto left?  What did they post on social media beforehand?  What did they tell there friends?  But, when 49 people get killed in a mass-shooting in the name of Islam, and you have a state official going out of his way to try and deflect from the "reason" when, in all other instances, it would be a perfectly acceptable question, then it is hypocrisy at its finest.  Nobody had a problem calling out Timothy McVeigh's reasoning for the bombing in Oklahoma.  But God forbid we call out Oman Mateen for HIS reason.  Bill Nelson was angrily defiant in his refusal to call it what it was.  And the fact that he has had other connections to shaky groups in that ilk is disconcerting from my perspective.

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90%, 50% - are you just pulling numbers out of your butt?  What are you, Barney Stinson?

Cutler - LOL.  Again, does that sound like Cutler baiting maybe?  Just maybe?  You're smarter than that man.

I don't hate the NRA.  Yes, I think people on the terrorist watchlist shouldn't have guns.  Shockingly, that's not a "conservative" position, I know, since I'm such a staunch conservative apparently.  The 2nd Amendment is a big deal to me.  I go out of my way to avoid "gun free zones" because they are essentially leading the lambs to slaughter.  I feel safer when in an area where I know responsible gun owners are allowed to conceal carry.  So does my wife.  It's our prerogative to go with our instincts on that matter.  I do believe there should be SOME restrictions - but I reject those who want to "get rid of the guns".  Again, that's my position and I don't deviate from it.

More childish evasiveness. I will not respond to these comments until you directly address my statement. I would advise Paasche to do the same.

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As Diego mentioned, Dylan, your continual nitpicking while either obtusely or intentionally missing the point is getting really frustrating. Despite being asked multiple times, you have continued to evade our question of why Rick Scott is worthy of a vote. And for the record, yes, I called him a blithering moron but that really has nothing to do with his politics but his position on global warming (I refuse to consider accepting basic science a political matter). I mentioned his gag order earlier, but yeah, if that isn't the action of a blithering moron I don't know what is. The man may as well believe that the earth is flat or that vaccines cause autism. So please, enlighten us as to why he is worthy of your vote. Make me see why Rick Scott is anything other than a complete and utter imbecile. But my god, if you respond to this post and continue to evade the question I actually might blow my brains out.
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Countless hours of researching gubernatorial candidates later and I still have not settled on one yet. The Dems probably have that election in the bag though, probably on account of Jared Polis being in the House. He's a pretty mainstream Democrat but (possibly deliberately) uses universal and single payer healthcare interchangeably in his platform, despite the fact that Colorado voted overwhelmingly against the single-payer model. We'll see though.

My district will probably go to a Republican though. Still have to start up research for that.

 

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