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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #242 on: March 07, 2018, 06:45:16 pm »
A poll shows that Americans think Benedict Donald is the worst U.S. President since WWII.
This happens to every president though. My stance overall is basically the same as the NYT scholar rankings I linked last month.

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« Reply #243 on: March 07, 2018, 06:46:07 pm »
Trump is suing my state...

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #244 on: March 07, 2018, 06:48:18 pm »
Also, 538 did an interesting piece on the Cohn resignation. It'll be interesting to see how much the GOP is willing to break away from their Golden Boy when it comes to these tariffs.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #246 on: March 10, 2018, 11:20:08 pm »
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #247 on: March 11, 2018, 01:20:43 am »
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

What does "pay off" mean? If it refers to "denuclearization", then the answer is of course not. All Trump can give them is some promises of lifting some sanctions, and he's already proven many times a) he doesn't care about international agreements (most relevant here is the ever-present brinkmanship over Iran agreement) and b) US itself changes its foreign policy moods every 4-8 years and it's not worth throwing away decades of scientific effort for one such whim.

If stopping further testing is considered good enough, then this might well happen, since they already got what they wanted, now having a reasonable chance of reaching your mainland if a war were to happen tomorrow - the basics of nuclear deterrence. Doing so will certainly save them some fuel, and deprive lots of pundits of a significant source of headlines, stop a lot of your people from pondering nuclear war for a while, etc.

The increased stability will also have some business benefits. Some are for ROK businesses and their partners, though they are relatively minor. Most Western business is unlikely to benefit much since they are bound by sanctions Trump probably won't alter. (Future POTUS might but it'll probably be a post-post-Trump one) However,  our and Chinese businesses and entrepreneurs could again get more active and South could proceed with reopening Kaesong, for instance, since ROK business loves cheap labor from up north (last time it was open, they paid lower wages then Chinese did in the equivalent Rason complex, or we do whenever there's agreement to deploy DPRK workforce in Russia).

I suppose there are theoretically other scenarios from the meeting (assuming it won't get called off again, for one reason or other) but they don't seem likely enough to mention here.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #248 on: March 11, 2018, 10:06:19 am »
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

Tough to say.  I mean, he's said for years (there's a 1999 interview somewhere) that we need to try to negotiate with North Korea and try and secure a deal with them, but if all else fails we have to be prepared to do whatever we have to do to protect ourselves from their nuclear arsenal.  I like that he's at least willing to try and negotiate with him.  Whether or not it pays off is tough to say - you have 2 petulant children in the same room - they're either gonna get along great, or fight over who gets to play with the toy firetruck.  We'll see.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #249 on: March 11, 2018, 02:42:42 pm »
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

Tough to say.  I mean, he's said for years (there's a 1999 interview somewhere) that we need to try to negotiate with North Korea and try and secure a deal with them, but if all else fails we have to be prepared to do whatever we have to do to protect ourselves from their nuclear arsenal.  I like that he's at least willing to try and negotiate with him.  Whether or not it pays off is tough to say - you have 2 petulant children in the same room - they're either gonna get along great, or fight over who gets to play with the toy firetruck.  We'll see.

While I'm definitely for sitting down to talk with the guy, I really feel that this will set a dangerous precedent. NK's nuclear program is effectively a massive bargaining chip; even Kimmy isn't dumb enough to strike first, because he knows that would lead to his own complete annihilation. All he ever wanted was for his country to get its foot in the door with the international community, and that looks like it might actually happen now. The last thing we should do is signal to other pariah regimes that a nuclear program will buy them legitimacy on the global stage.

And I don't think Trump understands any of this. If it was Obama or even Dubya, I'd trust them to not walk into a trap like this, but Trump is too impulsive and focused on short-term solutions to consider the ramifications of his actions. If he strikes some "deal" that lifts sanctions and allows NK to continue with its abhorrent human rights abuses, I can imagine that a few other psychotic dictatorships will start seeing nuke programs as a viable path to international recognition.


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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #251 on: March 11, 2018, 07:30:57 pm »
So do you guys think Trump's North Korea strategy is gonna pay off?

Tough to say.  I mean, he's said for years (there's a 1999 interview somewhere) that we need to try to negotiate with North Korea and try and secure a deal with them, but if all else fails we have to be prepared to do whatever we have to do to protect ourselves from their nuclear arsenal.  I like that he's at least willing to try and negotiate with him.  Whether or not it pays off is tough to say - you have 2 petulant children in the same room - they're either gonna get along great, or fight over who gets to play with the toy firetruck.  We'll see.

While I'm definitely for sitting down to talk with the guy, I really feel that this will set a dangerous precedent. NK's nuclear program is effectively a massive bargaining chip; even Kimmy isn't dumb enough to strike first, because he knows that would lead to his own complete annihilation. All he ever wanted was for his country to get its foot in the door with the international community, and that looks like it might actually happen now. The last thing we should do is signal to other pariah regimes that a nuclear program will buy them legitimacy on the global stage.

And I don't think Trump understands any of this. If it was Obama or even Dubya, I'd trust them to not walk into a trap like this, but Trump is too impulsive and focused on short-term solutions to consider the ramifications of his actions. If he strikes some "deal" that lifts sanctions and allows NK to continue with its abhorrent human rights abuses, I can imagine that a few other psychotic dictatorships will start seeing nuke programs as a viable path to international recognition.


I don't know - I mean these other countries would actually not just get their hands on a nuke, but be able to develop, test, etc. to make them a viable threat.  I agree that NK won't strike first UNLESS KJU contracts some sort of disease where he's dying and he's like "fuck it, what have I got to lose?"  Again, I'm not gonna bash the guy for having a sit down to try and make a deal - if he fucks it up, then I'll bash him.  But I'm gonna withhold judgment until we find out more.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #253 on: March 13, 2018, 11:49:31 am »
God dammit! I had Tillerson for like four months!

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #254 on: March 13, 2018, 12:24:07 pm »
God dammit! I had Tillerson for like four months!
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I haven’t been following Pompeo’s tenure enough to have an opinion on whether he’ll make a good Secretary.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #255 on: March 13, 2018, 11:48:45 pm »
So I've heard that rumors that Justice Kennedy may be retiring are surfacing again. Is that suitable cause for panic?

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #256 on: April 11, 2018, 11:37:00 am »
Everything is terrible.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #257 on: April 11, 2018, 01:09:47 pm »
Paul Ryan’s out.

I think we can count this for the purposes of our poll. It's "who will be eliminated next," meaning anyone Trump fires plus anyone who quits because he turned their jobs into a living nightmare.

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