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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #140 on: November 11, 2017, 07:28:14 am »
I'm getting pretty close to my breaking point.

It's astounding how many of my engineering classmates seem to be also on the side of global warming being a myth, which is absolutely bonkers. We're actually going to school and learning about this shit and how to provide cleaner energy sources yet these guys-these engineers, who are going to actually be responsible for finding efficient clean energy-refuse to believe in something as simple as global warming all over the person they elected.  The heat down here must be frying their brains.

It also reminds me that I had a discussion with Dylan recently, who seemed to defend coal mining and called Colin Kaepernick a bigot.  I just blocked him again.  Can't deal with that much stupidity.

If Dylan ever returns, I'll attempt to explain Carbon isotopes and the decline of C-14 in the atmosphere to him.

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics he goes through to defend Trump.  And he usually ends it with "Again, I am not a fan of everything he's done." even though he hasn't stated what he dislikes about the current administration.

If you find the time, I think you should read this article. I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on it. For me, I think it's one of the most sickening things I've ever read. It made me realize just how pointless this whole debacle has been, and it's given me extreme contempt for a large group of my fellow Americans.

They never really did care about the issues. All they wanted was a way to piss off the other half of the country. And they'll always approve of Trump because he makes the right people angry. The spite, shortsightedness, and bigotry on display in this article is nothing short of astonishing.

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“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”
I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.
Del Signore was surprised to hear this.
“Does he?” he said.
“Yes,” I said.
He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”
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Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”

The quotes above really highlights the fact that these Trump supporters have absolutely no clue what is going on in his presidency.  Many pundits have pretty much all believed that Trump's election was nothing more than a pushback by the American Midwest.  Very similar to how Nixon's presidency was a reaction to the left pushing hard for their candidate.

So, this piece is a follow-up to the one I linked to last year. You can see one of my predictions came right - Trump did finish off the American Dream for them, as they realized that place would never improve. The only thing that can change situation there now is a full state intervention of the kind we established, and China continues to perfect - buying off the mines from the owners at a state-enforced price, in parallel a establishing a wind turbine plant and such to offset the losses, encourage internal migration of labour to fill in skills gap mentioned there, as well as going for a concurrent drug crackdown.

It dovetails with the quotes from the previous article Diego linked, showing that Chinese system continues to prove its efficacy in ensuring there's enough of a planet for us to have this political debate on. That woman was actually almost right with her later assertions, though she put the cart before the horse - in fact, it's the stupidity and denialism of her administration and fellow travelers that does the most in laying the groundwork for the next International. The faster thermostat rises now, the more extreme measures people will adopt to halt it later, and the less compatible with the "free markets" they'll be. (At somewhere between 3 and 5 C, the whole international market economic system may well go in the bin, as the supply chains for too many goods will end up inoperable.) That is why I feel no concern for the future of Communism - whether in the Chinese definition of it, or more traditional forms, like modern Cuba or Kadar's Hungary. The difference between the hurricane recovery on Cuba and hurricane recovery on Puerto Rico is simply a glimpse of the things to come.


In the short term, though, nothing of the kind will happen, because it seems these people are not that relevant. I hardly like the corporatist Vox, with their glib approach and loose relationship with truth (calling Erdogan pro-Assad after he got his referendum through was almost hilarious), but I do think this piece hit on something important when it mentioned that 80% of people who first voted for Hoover then voted for him again, in spite of the Great Depression, but that obviously didn't make his loss to FDR any less crushing. I would say this Guardian article is a little more relevant: it's from their equivalent series where they interview people from another Pennsylvania region, which has voted twice for Obama then flipped to Trump, while the county in the Politico piece is  more Republican and has only half the population. There, you have more doubts amongst respondents, and more balance. (You have to admit that Politico piece could have been ended in a bunch of different ways, and choosing to quote a racial slur at the very end was a calculated move to provoke your disgust.)

Lastly, about the religious stuff. Here's an interesting defence of Moore's views on God over Constitution. Well, "interesting" in the same way as that other defence of him: it doesn't change my view on separation of church and state, obviously, but it does seem to highlight a side of your founders many would now gloss over.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #144 on: November 24, 2017, 10:46:45 pm »
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« Reply #145 on: November 24, 2017, 10:50:33 pm »
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Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #146 on: November 24, 2017, 11:08:02 pm »
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King.
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I guess that's fair. I try to evaluate whoever might have the largest amount of influence over the general state of the world with regards to my pick, so as of now I'd be tentatively picking either Mohammed bin-Salman (what with all the potential he has to shake up the Middle East) or potentially Xi Jinping (since he's probably China's most notable leader since Mao/Deng Xiaoping).

Though, if we're going more for the moral/ethical basis for the title then perhaps Mueller may be the way to go. That said there may be more options than those who were included in the poll.

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« Reply #147 on: November 25, 2017, 01:50:02 am »
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King.
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I guess that's fair. I try to evaluate whoever might have the largest amount of influence over the general state of the world with regards to my pick, so as of now I'd be tentatively picking either Mohammed bin-Salman (what with all the potential he has to shake up the Middle East) or potentially Xi Jinping (since he's probably China's most notable leader since Mao/Deng Xiaoping).

Though, if we're going more for the moral/ethical basis for the title then perhaps Mueller may be the way to go. That said there may be more options than those who were included in the poll.

John how many of those linked tweets did you read? I know that established journalists at places like Politico have been reduced to Mueller fanfiction, but do you really think potentially jailing 3 people with no actual policy impact warrants the global title? Once it finishes, then yes, 2018 Nomination may be perfectly open and available. Otherwise, meh.

Kashmir's picks are clearly better. Xi would certainly be a great choice, given he just passed the halfway point with flying colors and China is winning in general. I am not too sure about Salman: he jailed a bunch of people, sure, but what next? Again, I think it would make more sense for them to wait for next year. Otherwise, they risk a repeat of the 2012 issue: the cover was given to Obama, but one of their secondary nominees (there are 4-5 other people who do not make it to cover, but are still honored) was given to Morsi. Given that he was thrown out of power next year, and is now in jail and may theoretically be executed, that choice now seems truly hilarious. I wouldn't discount the chances of something similar happening with Salman.

Perhaps it's bias showing, but Rouhani would a more solid pick, for cover or for the secondaries. He got re-elected with increased mandate, he signed a whole lot of substantial deals with us and EU countries, and their regional influence had only grown. I have sympathy for the Kurds, but the way his top general completely declawed their state with little bloodshed was masterful.

EDIT: I forgot that movements and concepts can also get the cover (i.e. they had "Young People" once, and something to do with technology as well). As such, I am certain #MeToo will be in the issue, even if not necessarily on the cover.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #148 on: November 25, 2017, 11:29:32 am »
John how many of those linked tweets did you read? I know that established journalists at places like Politico have been reduced to Mueller fanfiction, but do you really think potentially jailing 3 people with no actual policy impact warrants the global title? Once it finishes, then yes, 2018 Nomination may be perfectly open and available. Otherwise, meh.

Kashmir's picks are clearly better. Xi would certainly be a great choice, given he just passed the halfway point with flying colors and China is winning in general. I am not too sure about Salman: he jailed a bunch of people, sure, but what next? Again, I think it would make more sense for them to wait for next year. Otherwise, they risk a repeat of the 2012 issue: the cover was given to Obama, but one of their secondary nominees (there are 4-5 other people who do not make it to cover, but are still honored) was given to Morsi. Given that he was thrown out of power next year, and is now in jail and may theoretically be executed, that choice now seems truly hilarious. I wouldn't discount the chances of something similar happening with Salman.

Perhaps it's bias showing, but Rouhani would a more solid pick, for cover or for the secondaries. He got re-elected with increased mandate, he signed a whole lot of substantial deals with us and EU countries, and their regional influence had only grown. I have sympathy for the Kurds, but the way his top general completely declawed their state with little bloodshed was masterful.

EDIT: I forgot that movements and concepts can also get the cover (i.e. they had "Young People" once, and something to do with technology as well). As such, I am certain #MeToo will be in the issue, even if not necessarily on the cover.
Rouhani would also be an interesting pick given his achievements and reelection. That said I'm not sure how likely the chances of him regaining a finalist position on this year's list is given that he was a runner up in 2015.

While nothing's set in stone yet I wouldn't be surprised if some of the finalists ended up being Jinping, Trump, the #MeToo movement, either Macron or Salman, Taylor Swift, and maybe Bannon, or one of the tech moguls listed (Zuckerberg/Bezos). Not too sure about the last pick.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #149 on: November 25, 2017, 11:43:29 am »
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King.
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's or another obscure actress respectively.

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #150 on: November 25, 2017, 11:56:38 am »
Loser Donald in: The Lyin' King.
Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's or another obscure actress respectively.

Richard Mueller is a famous physicist.
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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #151 on: November 25, 2017, 01:48:15 pm »
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Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's or another obscure actress respectively.

Richard Mueller is a famous physicist.
True, but isn't his surname spelled 'Muller'?

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Re: The Trump Presidency Thread
« Reply #152 on: November 25, 2017, 01:58:32 pm »
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Do you have any predictions/preferences for Person of the Year this time around?
Richard Mueller and Carmela Cruz come to mind.
I just noticed some rather heinous misnomers, unless you were referring to the screenwriter of various cartoon episodes from the 1990's or another obscure actress respectively.

Richard Mueller is a famous physicist.
True, but isn't his surname spelled 'Muller'?

Just google'd it and u right.  Guy's a genius.  One of my professors actually took some classes under him.
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« Reply #155 on: November 26, 2017, 06:24:23 pm »
Trump misses his old life.

I predicted this.  I have the best predictions in all of the Oasis.  Trump is a weak minded person.  SAD.
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« Reply #156 on: November 26, 2017, 06:57:34 pm »
Trump misses his old life.

I predicted this.  I have the best predictions in all of the Oasis. Trump is a weak minded person.  SAD.
This part is very true.

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« Reply #157 on: November 29, 2017, 08:41:40 pm »
Trump misses his old life.

I predicted this.  I have the best predictions in all of the Oasis. Trump is a weak minded person.  SAD.
This part is very true.

Maybe I should drop everything and become a fortune teller.
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