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Well, we attacked Syria...
« on: April 14, 2018, 10:55:46 am »
...at least the UK and France participated in a joint effort - I kind of get sick and tired of us acting as "world police" unilaterally.  I'm more comfortable when other nations are involved with us as a group effort.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43762251

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Re: Well, we attacked Syria...
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2018, 02:18:24 pm »
The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone of the Iraq War has.

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Re: Well, we attacked Syria...
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2018, 02:35:29 pm »
The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone of the Iraq War has.

Neville needs to find a case of vodka and a bunker to wait this out...

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Re: Well, we attacked Syria...
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2018, 09:55:17 am »
Nikki Haley's rebuttal to Russia condemning us for the Syria attacks...


Thank you, Mr. President, and thank you, Mr. Secretary-General, for your briefing today. This is our fifth Security Council meeting in the past week to address the situation in Syria. A week has gone by in which we have talked. We’ve talked about the victims in Douma. We’ve talked about the Assad regime and its patrons, Russia and Iran. We’ve spent a week talking about the unique horror of chemical weapons. The time for talk ended last night.

We’re here today because three permanent members of the United Nations Security Council acted. The United Kingdom, France, and the United States acted – not as revenge, not as punishment, not as a symbolic show of force. We acted to deter the future use of chemical weapons by holding the Syrian regime responsible for its atrocities against humanity.

We can all see that a Russian disinformation campaign is in full force this morning. But Russia’s desperate attempts at deflection cannot change the facts. A large body of information indicates that the Syrian regime used chemical weapons in Douma on April 7. There is clear information demonstrating Assad’s culpability.

The pictures of dead children were not fake news. They were the result of the Syrian regime’s barbaric inhumanity. And they were the result of the regime and Russia’s failure to live up to their international commitments to remove all chemical weapons from Syria. The United States, France, and the United Kingdom acted after careful evaluation of these facts.

The targets we selected were at the heart of the Syrian regime’s illegal chemical weapons program. The strikes were carefully planned to minimize civilian casualties. The responses were justified, legitimate, and proportionate. The United States and its allies did everything we could to use the tools of diplomacy to get rid of Assad’s arsenal of chemical weapons.

We did not give diplomacy just one chance. We gave diplomacy chance after chance. Six times: That’s how many times Russia vetoed Security Council resolutions to address chemical weapons in Syria. Our efforts go back even further. In 2013, the Security Council passed a resolution that required the Assad regime to destroy its stockpile of chemical weapons.

Syria committed to abide by the Chemical Weapons Convention, meaning it could no longer have chemical weapons on its soil.

President Putin said Russia would guarantee that Syria complied. We hoped that this diplomacy would succeed in putting an end to the horror of chemical attacks in Syria. But as we see from the past year, that did not happen.

While Russia was busy protecting the regime, Assad took notice. The regime knew it could act with impunity, and it did.

In November, Russia used its veto to kill the Joint Investigative Mechanism, the main tool we had to figure out who used chemical weapons in Syria. Just as Russia was using its veto, the Assad regime used sarin, leading to dozens of injuries and deaths.

Russia’s veto was the green light for the Assad regime to use these most barbaric weapons against the Syrian people, in complete violation of international law. The United States and our allies were not going to let that stand. Chemical weapons are a threat to us all. They are a unique threat, a type of weapon so evil that the international community agreed they must be banned.

We cannot stand by and let Russia trash every international norm that we stand for, and allow the use of chemical weapons to go unanswered. And just as the Syrian regime’s use of chemical weapons last weekend was not an isolated incident, our response is part of a new course charted last year to deter future use of chemical weapons.

Our Syrian strategy has not changed. However, the Syrian regime has forced us to take action based on their repeated use of chemical weapons. Since the April 2017 chemical attack at Khan Sheikhoun, the United States has imposed hundreds of sanctions on individuals and entities involved in chemical weapons use in Syria and North Korea. We have designated entities in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa that have facilitated chemical weapons proliferation. We have revoked the visas of Russian intelligence officers in response to the chemical attack in Salisbury. We will continue to seek out and call out anyone who uses – and anyone who aids in the use – of chemical weapons.

With yesterday’s military action, our message was crystal clear. The United States of America will not allow the Assad regime to continue to use chemical weapons. Last night, we obliterated the major research facility that it used to assemble weapons of mass murder. I spoke to the President this morning and he said if the Syrian regime uses this poison gas again, the United States is locked and loaded. When our President draws a red line, our President enforces the red line.

The United States is deeply grateful to the United Kingdom and France for its part in the coalition to defend the prohibition of chemical weapons. We worked in lock step, we were in complete agreement. Last night, our great friends and indispensable allies shouldered a burden that benefits all of us. The civilized world owes them its thanks. In the weeks and months to come, the Security Council should take time to reflect on its role in defending the international rule of law.

The Security Council has failed in its duty to hold those who use chemical weapons to account. That failure is largely due to Russian obstruction. We call on Russia to take a hard look at the company it keeps, and live up to its responsibilities as a Permanent Member of the Council and defend the actual principles the United Nations was meant to promote.

Last night, we successfully hit the heart of Syria’s chemical weapons enterprise, and because of these actions, we are confident that we have crippled Syria’s chemical weapons program.

We are prepared to sustain this pressure, if the Syrian regime is foolish enough to test our will.

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Re: Well, we attacked Syria...
« Reply #4 on: Today at 04:07:53 pm »
The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone of the Iraq War has.

Neville needs to find a case of vodka and a bunker to wait this out...

I remember waking up on Thursday to our headlines stating "Trump's "smart" missiles" flew into Russia". Of course, that was clickbait that actually referred to Syrians retrieving two of the missiles and delivering them to us for analysis. This week's "Arguments and Facts" (one of the more prominent newspapers here, though that doesn't say much) also caricatured Trump on its cover with a Stars and Stripes bowler hat and a red nuclear button instead of a clown's nose. I didn't get to read much of it, though. However, if you want to get more insight into some people's perception of the events, I remember how one argument, in response to both the strikes, the Skripal backlash and the new sanctions was that it makes no sense to describe Russia as an aggressor when we never had our troops on the American or British territory, while the reverse happened during our Civil war, and, for latter, during the Crimean war.

Nikki Haley's rebuttal to Russia condemning us for the Syria attacks...

Not bad. However, it probably didn't escape your attention that the reaction appeared rather muted overseas. (I.e. perhaps I just didn't look at the news that closely, but I can't remember even British newspapers giving much stock to it.) I think a lot of the diplomats and foreign observers  still find the sudden emotional appeals to the role of the Security Council and to the international community unconvincing after her temper tantrum when that same international community made its feelings on the whole Israel embassy thing rather clear.

 

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