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Author Topic: The D.I.E.G.O. System  (Read 615 times)

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Re: The D.I.E.G.O. System
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2018, 07:19:51 am »
Forgot to respond to this thread but, Diego, my argument about influence is one that requires extrapolation. The influence of rap as a whole is important for the same reason you bringing up synth-pop is relevant; if I am to make the argument that rap is the country's most important genre and has been for the previous 15-20 years, then it logically follows that I think Illmatic is one of the most important albums of all time.

I don't care how important you think it is. Your subjective opinion doesn't matter here. This discussion is about the statement you made that started us off, and how it was quite plainly factually inaccurate.
I mean, the whole question of cultural relevance and influence is inherently subjective. Clearly I'm not breaking through here, so I'll reframe this: Think of Illmatic as Pulp Fiction; extremely influential, famous works that had substantial influence. Now, is Pulp Fiction the most influential movie of all time? Nah (although it's pretty important). Did it have an out of this world box office gross? Nah (although it did do really well). Despite these two facts, it is extremely highly regarded and not having heard of it would be surprising.

Yeah... but not as surprising as not having heard of Citizen Kane.

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Re: The D.I.E.G.O. System
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2018, 10:34:08 am »
Forgot to respond to this thread but, Diego, my argument about influence is one that requires extrapolation. The influence of rap as a whole is important for the same reason you bringing up synth-pop is relevant; if I am to make the argument that rap is the country's most important genre and has been for the previous 15-20 years, then it logically follows that I think Illmatic is one of the most important albums of all time.

I don't care how important you think it is. Your subjective opinion doesn't matter here. This discussion is about the statement you made that started us off, and how it was quite plainly factually inaccurate.
I mean, the whole question of cultural relevance and influence is inherently subjective. Clearly I'm not breaking through here, so I'll reframe this: Think of Illmatic as Pulp Fiction; extremely influential, famous works that had substantial influence. Now, is Pulp Fiction the most influential movie of all time? Nah (although it's pretty important). Did it have an out of this world box office gross? Nah (although it did do really well). Despite these two facts, it is extremely highly regarded and not having heard of it would be surprising.

Yeah... but not as surprising as not having heard of Citizen Kane.
Perhaps not equally so, but I'd say it's pretty comparable and that was the thesis of my argument.

Also, I find it amazing how many people I meet who haven't heard of movies like Citizen Kane. Rather depressing.

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Re: The D.I.E.G.O. System
« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2018, 05:00:15 pm »
Forgot to respond to this thread but, Diego, my argument about influence is one that requires extrapolation. The influence of rap as a whole is important for the same reason you bringing up synth-pop is relevant; if I am to make the argument that rap is the country's most important genre and has been for the previous 15-20 years, then it logically follows that I think Illmatic is one of the most important albums of all time.

I don't care how important you think it is. Your subjective opinion doesn't matter here. This discussion is about the statement you made that started us off, and how it was quite plainly factually inaccurate.
I mean, the whole question of cultural relevance and influence is inherently subjective. Clearly I'm not breaking through here, so I'll reframe this: Think of Illmatic as Pulp Fiction; extremely influential, famous works that had substantial influence. Now, is Pulp Fiction the most influential movie of all time? Nah (although it's pretty important). Did it have an out of this world box office gross? Nah (although it did do really well). Despite these two facts, it is extremely highly regarded and not having heard of it would be surprising.

Yeah... but not as surprising as not having heard of Citizen Kane.
Perhaps not equally so, but I'd say it's pretty comparable and that was the thesis of my argument.

Also, I find it amazing how many people I meet who haven't heard of movies like Citizen Kane. Rather depressing.

It's really not comparable at all. If you don't see that at this point, there is something wrong with your brain.

For the record, I asked my friends last night about Nas. One reacted the way you did. Two were mildly surprised I hadn't heard of him, but didn't say much else. The fourth hadn't heard of him either. So yeah, unlike with Sgt. Pepper's, it's wholly possible to go through life in an English-speaking country without hearing of "Illmatic."

 

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