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Author Topic: Tut's Tutillating Fourth Annual Top 100 Films List  (Read 657 times)

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Still though, the lack of women in sci-fi/action frustrates me.
Mad Max: Fury Road and Star Wars: The Force Awakens had great female leads. The Avengers and Captain America films fully fleshed out Black Widow.
He gave MM:FR a 3/10, ironically.

Fury Road was garbage for entirely different reasons. Female leads mean nothing when they're completely underdeveloped. And I mean character-wise, not from Dommy's cup-size-theorem perspective.

Anyway, I have not seen Cahill's other work. I'm definitely intrigued though, so maybe I'll order it from Netflix sometime. Have you seen I Origins, Danny?

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Still though, the lack of women in sci-fi/action frustrates me.
The Avengers and Captain America films fully fleshed out Black Widow.

Laughable.
Can't believe I'm doing this, but...

...here are my arguments:
- In the Avengers, she helps recruit the Hulk to join the Avengers Initiative, she literally tricks Loki the trickster god, and she's the one to close the alien portal, therefore ending the Battle of New York
- In Age of Ultron, she's given a compelling backstory where she was forced to be transformed into an assassin (this is why she calls herself a monster, not the fact that she can't have children), she rescues Hawkeye after he's incapacitated by Quicksilver; she aids Captain America on a motorcycle, picks up his shield while riding the bike, travels halfway across the city, powerslides underneath a moving truck, and throws the shield back at him therefore saving him from Ultron
- She's indispensable to the plot of Winter Soldier, so if she was removed, then the film wouldn't really work

And in AoU, Ultron wasn't destroying humanity just for the sake of it like we see in most films with evil A.I. and/or robots. He believes we are doomed no matter what (even the Vision, one of the Avengers, agrees with him at the end). He believes that the only way to save the world is to destroy humanity and let it evolve from the ashes into something greater.
Goodbye!
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Fury Road was garbage for entirely different reasons. Female leads mean nothing when they're completely underdeveloped.
So I take it you're unaware of visual storytelling.

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Fury Road was garbage for entirely different reasons. Female leads mean nothing when they're completely underdeveloped.
So I take it you're unaware of visual storytelling.

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John marks my post as "old," yet marks the same running joke that happened just earlier today at 3 AM as "funny."  So it turned old within 16 hours?
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John marks my post as "old," yet marks the same running joke that happened just earlier today at 3 AM as "funny."  So it turned old within 16 hours?
*15 hours

I only marked the 3 AM joke as "funny" because while it was getting old there, people were still getting enjoyment out of it, so...

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Starting the avalanche of people making these lists a year or two ago is one of my proudest moments with this group. Sad but true.
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I remember that time we all first did those top 100 lists. Even Dommy had one, which was just about what you would expect. I think I might've been the only to abstain at the time, as I still think I would need to see more and rarer categories of film (i.e. lots of stuff in Braden's list) before I'll find it "objective" enough to be comfortable with it.

Anyway, I think it was also then, after Paasche made his list, that Costigan accused him of only liking "cool movies" and that short-lived meme began. I can't find that list now, but I do remember noticing how only 5 films or so in that list seemed to have women in lead roles. Now, I don't want to imply too much, but when you combine it with the very similar data on AFI Top 100 thread + his statement he wanted the girl in Spirited Away to die, + his outlier scores for Finding Dory and The Witch, (where he specifically took issue with difficult protagonists) + Nolan's films reputation for treating female characters + outlier praise for BvS (which, in its Extended Cut, accomplishes the rarely seen feat of kidnapping two women in two concurrent scenes + murdering 3 supporting female characters within 5 minutes of each other) ...

A trend of sorts seems to emerge. I'm interested to know what you think of this.
I'd mostly agree with Tut in that the vast majority of films I watch just have male leads, because the vast majority of movies in Hollywood history have had male leads. Also, I'm pretty sure I praised the acting of the girl who played Tomassen (sp?) in The Witch- I thought she did a good job and the character was one of the better parts of the film. My dislike of that one has more to do with me generally not being much of a horror fan. Did I say that about the Spirited Away girl? Don't remember saying that but, well, yikes if I did lol. The BvS and Nolan points seem like serious reaches to me, but I did think Alien was pretty mediocre (could've had to do with the fact that I saw it before I really got into film) so who knows, maybe you're right and I'm secretly a raging sexist.

Edit: Just for fun, here are the movies with female leads (or co leads) in my top 100: Silence of the Lambs, Million Dollar Baby, V for Vendetta, Gone Girl, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, Panic Room, Kill Bill, Silver Linings Playbook, Juno (that one could've dropped out I guess, haven't officially updated the list in a while).   
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Can't believe I'm doing this, but...

...here are my arguments:
- In the Avengers, she helps recruit the Hulk to join the Avengers Initiative, she literally tricks Loki the trickster god, and she's the one to close the alien portal, therefore ending the Battle of New York
- In Age of Ultron, she's given a compelling backstory where she was forced to be transformed into an assassin (this is why she calls herself a monster, not the fact that she can't have children), she rescues Hawkeye after he's incapacitated by Quicksilver; she aids Captain America on a motorcycle, picks up his shield while riding the bike, travels halfway across the city, powerslides underneath a moving truck, and throws the shield back at him therefore saving him from Ultron
- She's indispensable to the plot of Winter Soldier, so if she was removed, then the film wouldn't really work

Hmm. Allow me to retort. Here are my arguments:

- No
- Please
- God
- Stop
- I beg of you
- Fucking Christ


This comment is retarded.

Yeah, it was stupid of me to think Danny had seen I Origins.

Fury Road was garbage for entirely different reasons. Female leads mean nothing when they're completely underdeveloped.
So I take it you're unaware of visual storytelling.

There was a story?

Look John, it's just not my kind of movie. I had hopes for it, but looking back, maybe I shouldn't have. I didn't like Max, I didn't really care about Charlize Theron, and the situation the characters were in was so exaggerated and ludicrous that I never got invested in what happened to them. I'm someone who really loves dialogue and emotional character moments, and Fury Road didn't have much in the way of that.

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John marks my post as "old," yet marks the same running joke that happened just earlier today at 3 AM as "funny."  So it turned old within 16 hours?
You tried debunking, which is John's job, and your effort admittedly failed in delivering the debunking we've come to expect.
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#98: Groundhog Day

If those fuckers at RT hadn't deleted all my comments, I would still have the paragraphs I'd written about many of these films, including this one. Whatever... though I never was a huge Ghostbusters fan, I've always liked Bill Murray, and although he slums it from time to time (ever see Kingpin?), Groundhog Day is not one of those times. This is Murray's best film, and it utilizes his deadpan comedic delivery to its fullest effect-- watching him blandly electrocute himself with a toaster makes me laugh to this day. Oftentimes, comedies will dip their toes too deep in the realm of life lessons and emotions, and in the process forget to do what they're supposed to do: Make us laugh. Groundhog Day never does that, balancing a worthy moral to its story with a whole lot of laugh-out-loud moments. A great and original comedy that has stood the test of time.



Can't wait 'till I get a job and a mortgage and get to live the same day over and over again just like Bill Murray.
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I love ah Groundhog Day with all of my heart.
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Fantastic movie.
Goodbye!

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#97: The Fisher King

When I first saw The Fisher King, I was too young to fully appreciate its charms. Terry Gilliam’s quirky direction may have played a part in this, but whatever the case, a second viewing made me realize what a gem this movie is. Jeff Bridges plays a radio shock jock who indirectly causes a mass shooting with his airwave tirades, ruining his career. Years later, he encounters one of the people affected by the incident-- played by Robin Williams, who delivers arguably the best performance of his career. The Fisher King mixes nightmarish dream sequences with intimate human moments, in the way only this unique cast of creative minds could. There is really no other film like it.



Fun fact: The tunnel that leads to the Golden Gate Bridge has been renamed Robin Williams Tunnel.
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#96: Moon

While I do love movies like Alien and 2001, they lack a certain plausibility-- a quality that Duncan Jones’ first major film, Moon, has in spades. Touching, mysterious, and featuring strong undercurrents of social commentary, this movie about the only man on the moon might just go down in history as a modern sci-fi classic. The ever-watchable Sam Rockwell stars (but I won’t give away too much about the details of his performance, for fear of spoilers), and Kevin Spacey voices his robotic assistant. Although Jones’ other good film (fuck you, Warcraft), Source Code, does not appear on this list, I heartily recommend it as well.



Before his bastardization at the hands of the Hollywood blockbuster machine, Zowie Bowie was one of the most promising indie sci-fi filmmakers in the world.
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Sadly, Moon is the only film on the current list I've seen...

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#96: Moon

While I do love movies like Alien and 2001, they lack a certain plausibility-- a quality that Duncan Jones’ first major film, Moon, has in spades. Touching, mysterious, and featuring strong undercurrents of social commentary, this movie about the only man on the moon might just go down in history as a modern sci-fi classic. The ever-watchable Sam Rockwell stars (but I won’t give away too much about the details of his performance, for fear of spoilers), and Kevin Spacey voices his robotic assistant. Although Jones’ other good film (fuck you, Warcraft), Source Code, does not appear on this list, I heartily recommend it as well.



Before his bastardization at the hands of the Hollywood blockbuster machine, Zowie Bowie was one of the most promising indie sci-fi filmmakers in the world.
I've really wanted to see this for a while but haven't been able to procure a copy for myself. Sadly, in my first month or two with the group I actually got a digi of the film from Treet but couldn't get it to work and was too embarrassed to ask for help/admit that I might've wasted the copy with my incompetence.

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Sadly, Moon is the only film on the current list I've seen...
Heresy! Go and watch Groundhog Day inmediatly!

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Moon is one of my favorites and few 10/10s. Sam Rockwell is truly underrated.
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#96: Moon

While I do love movies like Alien and 2001, they lack a certain plausibility-- a quality that Duncan Jones’ first major film, Moon, has in spades. Touching, mysterious, and featuring strong undercurrents of social commentary, this movie about the only man on the moon might just go down in history as a modern sci-fi classic. The ever-watchable Sam Rockwell stars (but I won’t give away too much about the details of his performance, for fear of spoilers), and Kevin Spacey voices his robotic assistant. Although Jones’ other good film (fuck you, Warcraft), Source Code, does not appear on this list, I heartily recommend it as well.



Before his bastardization at the hands of the Hollywood blockbuster machine, Zowie Bowie was one of the most promising indie sci-fi filmmakers in the world.
I've really wanted to see this for a while but haven't been able to procure a copy for myself. Sadly, in my first month or two with the group I actually got a digi of the film from Treet but couldn't get it to work and was too embarrassed to ask for help/admit that I might've wasted the copy with my incompetence.

Perhaps if you had eaten some fish, your brain would be able to process such a simple task of redeeming a digi.

 

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