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Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.

Ask Kathleen if she can pay you in cash. I have a feeling her checks will be bouncing in the coming weeks.

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Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.
That’s a higher amount of defense than many would bother for a film they only enjoyed the last twenty minutes of.

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Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.
That’s a higher amount of defense than many would bother for a film they only enjoyed the last twenty minutes of.

I mean, his comment was complete bullshit and he knew it too.
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Fat splat from the audience on RT. Good taste triumphs again.

Because people who were pissed about The Last Jedi are spamming 1/2 star/not interested votes without seeing the movie.  Just take a quick look at the audience reviews.
That’s a higher amount of defense than many would bother for a film they only enjoyed the last twenty minutes of.

I mean, his comment was complete bullshit and he knew it too.

Moody, I get that your dad's movie theater is having financial troubles. But you don't have to shill for Disney in order to make ends meet. Try something a little less shameful, like turning tricks.
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This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and less than half of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees.

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Opening at 71%. How far do y'all think this could drop?

So yeah, it didn't budge at all, one way or the other. Btw, the scores from Russian critics are so far second highest for all the Disney Wars, at 76 (that's a Metacritic-style score, not a positive/negative percentage), with Farce Awakens being at 80, Last Jedi at 73 and Rogue One at 72.

At the same time, Rogue One is by far in the userscore lead with 85, TFA at 76, and Last Jedi at 67, while this is currently at 78, but might well drop. Granted, not many people vote there (TFA had 77 user votes, RO 58 and TLJ 70), but it does concur with other opinions I have seen online or heard IRL, with nearly everyone putting Rogue One in the lead. I think this might be because it finally admitted rebels were just terrorists, which is what we thought all along. I suppose I ought to finally watch it, to see whether I would side more with the Oasis consensus, or that of our cinemagoers.

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Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and less than half of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees.

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

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This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and less than half of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees.

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

If we assume a $250 million budget, then it should have had something around $700 million to be successful. The numbers it's currently tracking for are barely double its budget, which is not enough when given the cinemas' take and the marketing costs. Grossing 2,5 times a film's budget is usually the minimum break-even point (unless it's something enormously acclaimed, like Fury Road, or Edge of Tomorrow, which grossed a bit less, but are still getting sequels); for this, that would likely be $625 million. Making 3X budget is  what usually defines a hit; at $250 million, that's works out to $750 million.

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Pretty hilarious to see a successful franchise like this completely bomb.  Disney definitely needs to rework their strategy with these films.
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Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and less than half of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees.

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.
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5.5/10.  Some good, some bad (some really bad).  I like Emilia Clarke a lot - loved her in Me Before You.  Thought some of the Solo/Chewy scenes were pretty cool.  Some things were absurd (the worm thing at the beginning for example).  Thought the ending was actually pretty strong.  Much better than Force Awakens.  Prefer it over Jedi. 

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People who paid to see this are going straight to hell.

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Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and less than half of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees.

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.

What I'm saying is that theres a chance for it to not have a huge drop next weekend, as nothing is really coming out to compete with it. Also, Phantom Menace is not an apt comparison. 16 years of anticipation > 5 months of anticipation for Han Solo's origin story.

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Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and less than half of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees.

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.

What I'm saying is that theres a chance for it to not have a huge drop next weekend, as nothing is really coming out to compete with it. Also, Phantom Menace is not an apt comparison. 16 years of anticipation > 5 months of anticipation for Han Solo's origin story.

It's not whether or not Solo is a good comparison to Phantom Menace.  The fact that it'll make less than half of it in 1999 dollars with a budget that's nearly three times the size of that film is embarrassing.
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Quote from: Charles Longboat Jr. link=topic=4888.msg140932#msg140932 date=1527435403


[url=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
This couldn’t even break Justice League numbers on opening weekend[/url]

I find a comparison with Rogue One more illuminating - it got around half of its domestic numbers, and less than half of its international ones. It's still tracking for around $550 million worldwide total, though, which, lest we forget,  is below Suicide Squad but above Fury Road and Edge of Tomorrow.

I was going to say that's not literally a flop - not unless they were insane enough to give it a ~200 million budget. From the way it looked, I assumed 150 million - the budget of Fury Road, Edge of Tomorrow, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation, etc. Then, though, it turned out Rogue One did cost $200 million, and this thing might have gone up to 250 million after Howard's reshoots. So, yeah, it's basically flopping, and the perennial Scott Mendelsonn agrees.

Despite this being a pretty dismal opening weekend, I think there's a chance to make up some lost ground next weekend, as there isn't really anything new to threaten it, and Solo got a decent A- cinemascore. Not sure what kind of total numbers it would need to be considered a success, though.

It opened on Memorial Day weekend, which makes its opening weekend number inflated, so it'll probably drop more than 55% next weekend.  And then it faces competition from Ocean's 8, Incredibles 2, and Jurassic World 2 in back to back weekends, so I doubt that it really goes much higher than $200M domestic.  It'll probably make less than half of what Phantom Menace made...in 1999.

What I'm saying is that theres a chance for it to not have a huge drop next weekend, as nothing is really coming out to compete with it. Also, Phantom Menace is not an apt comparison. 16 years of anticipation > 5 months of anticipation for Han Solo's origin story.

It's not whether or not Solo is a good comparison to Phantom Menace.  The fact that it'll make less than half of it in 1999 dollars with a budget that's nearly three times the size of that film is embarrassing.

I mean, you could say that about any film. The Phantom Menace was one of the best performing blockbusters ever. It barely dropped, week after week. To compare Solo to it makes very little sense. Also, you realize that budgets also rise with inflation? In today's dollars Phantom Menace's budget would be about $170 million. That is pretty comparable to Solo before reshoots, which don't affect box office performance at all. Sure, Solo didn't make as much money as it was expected to. But what you're saying is nonsensical, and seems like you're reaching for ways to bash the film.

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With inflation, yes, Phantom Menace would've costed more.  But the 2.5x-3x breakeven point hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not looking for ways to bash the film, Solo is a flop no matter how you slice it.  It cost $300M to make and is performing like shit overseas.  It will probably make around $200M domestic and might not even reach or just barely go over $400M worldwide.  There is a 0.0001% chance this film is profitable.  I just think the Phantom Menace comparison is funny because it couldn't even manage half of its gross despite it releasing 19 years ago, when something like Rogue One which had very little recognizable characters (who weren't even the main characters) managed to outgross it.
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With inflation, yes, Phantom Menace would've costed more.  But the 2.5x-3x breakeven point hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not looking for ways to bash the film, Solo is a flop no matter how you slice it.  It cost $300M to make and is performing like shit overseas.  It will probably make around $200M domestic and might not even reach or just barely go over $400M worldwide.  There is a 0.0001% chance this film is profitable.  I just think the Phantom Menace comparison is funny because it couldn't even manage half of its gross despite it releasing 19 years ago, when something like Rogue One which had very little recognizable characters (who weren't even the main characters) managed to outgross it.

Sure, it'll flop. I just don't see what that has to do with comparing it to The Phantom Menace. I don't think that the comparison works at all, and apart from the Star Wars name, what do the two films have in common? Solo's a generic blockbuster that no one really anticipated coming just 5 months off the heels of the most divisive Star Wars movie since... The Phantom Menace. If anything, I'd compare it to Attack of the Clones, being the second film of a sub-series, which coincidentally made $350 million less than its predecessor. You might think the comparison is funny, but it doesn't make much sense, and only serves to paint the film in an even more negative light.

I'm just trying to watch LeBron choke here, didn't want to have to defend a film I don't even care about lol.

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People who paid to see this are going straight to hell.

I paid for A Quiet Place by the way. 

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You know... I preferred this to Rogue One.

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Some thoughts:
-  Ehrenreich was better than I expected. His performance is more of an emulation of Han’s essence rather than a Harrison Ford impressionh/wholesale takeover of the role which is probably the best we could expect from any actor at this rate. He has good chemistry with Chewie.
- First act was reasonably engaging though not without faults; some of the origin story stuff was tacky (e.g. how he got his name) but I was reasonable invested.
- The entire Kessel sequence was probably where the film drags the most. It suffers from some of the disparate storytelling tendencies shared by Rogue One. Fanservice overall was less egregious than that film though.
- None of the character deaths had any weight. I had no problem with Droid Anita Sarkeesian kicking the bucket.
- I see the complaints with the cinematography being ugly but I’m just neutral toward it. I see the intent but the execution with that lighting could have been better (see Blade Runner 2049, for example).

 

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