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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #140 on: August 04, 2016, 12:38:34 am »
Are you even listening to yourself here, Cutler? I am chalking this up to you arguing for argument's sake because at this moment in time it just doesn't make sense. I am NOT saying that it's stupid that they TRIED to use any means necessary for publicity's sake. I was NOT shocked by the fact that they did so (the mind-boggling part has more to do with the sheer stupidity of the failed stunt they tried to pull with the whole "sexism" angle), nor will I ever be in the future. I AM shocked at how Sony thought that it would work. No amount of effort you put forth in your argument addresses any relevance of mine, you completely misconstrued the point I was trying to get across and blundered about it with only what you thought I was referring to. What I really meant was that I was pointing out Tatum's complaint about the whole "sexism" angle because I thought he had bought into Sony's promotion practices, but he meant it differently (the film's attitude towards men, not the other way around).

Cut the shit, Cutler, there's no need for this slandering to continue.

So essentially what you're admitting to here is that you didn't even read Tatum's comment right, huh? And again, you missed my point.  Listen here, Frank.  I know what you tried to pull here with this comment, mostly because I am probably the king of this and that is manipulation of words.  You're firstly changing your argument completely from how it was a "brash and annoying" move on their part to now it being completely stupid?   What exactly are you getting at?  You've essentially just admitted that your original video comment added nothing up for discussion and that you're pointlessly continuing this argument for what sake then? 

So no, I'm not cutting any shit.  You brought the argument up by responding and you are the one continuously changing your argument to fit your needs at the moment.

Do I even need to explain myself here? It can't be all those things? Generally, when I see someone acting all brash and annoying I also refer to that as stupidity.

And I specifically said that I wouldn't continue the argument because it's just absolutely pointless. You're arguing a moot point that has nothing to do with what I originally posted. We're at an impasse and it seems you won't let up and that's fine, but I'd like to continue on from this. There's no meaningful discussion to be had from this.

Let's not forget that you instantly contradicted yourself here.  You said that "You were surprised they thought it'd work, but wasn't surprised they'd try it."  That's like saying "You were surprised Hitler thought invading Russia would work, but wasn't surprised he did it." 

Oh and before you become guilty of the very thing you called me out on (again), take a second and reread everything you wrote.

Yes, I am surprised they thought it would work. And guess what? I'm not surprised they would try it. Now, let's all sit around and try to decipher what this message could entail. First, what have studios done time and time again to try and save their failure of films? Well, they try to do something stupid that doesn't help its failure. And what have we been taught time and time again? History repeats itself. So what have we got here? Another classic case of studio stunt pulling to try to save the film and guess what, it failed. History has repeat itself. What a wild concept we have here.

Also, yes to that Hitler comment. Fascism and communism would indeed have clashed so he would definitely have done it either way, but I'm surprised he thought it would be such an easy task to accomplish.

Firstly, the Nazis were a political group within their own.  They were a subsection of fascism but practiced more racial discrimination.  Secondly, the Nazis had signed a pact with the Russian government not to invade and not to start a war.  Was Hitler known to go back on pacts?  Sure, but let's not forget every one of his counsel members, while cruel, were master strategists and very level headed.  That's how they won France easily.  And not to mention, it was a worldwide shock when the Nazis attempted their invasion of Russian soil.

I agree with all of this. But, Russia's big man. Way too big. Big enough to stall that Nazi terror right in its tracks. Great points made here in Quora (https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-German-invasion-of-the-USSR-fail) as to why they failed.

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I'm not gonna read that Quora post.  I pretty much know of the failure in Stalingrad, the scorched earth policy, etc.  Which Hitler should have realized what was essentially wrong with this invasion.  I mean, really in itself, Nazism killed itself considering that the only race they hated more than the Jews, were the Slavs.  Slavs were what Hitler wanted to exterminate purely based on their race whereas he blamed the Jews for the fall of the Reich.  But still, again, Hitler had some of the most level headed advisors.  He was a known hothead for sure, but him invading Russia was out of the blue.

Him invading Russia at the time was surprising, but I honestly couldn't ever believe that he would have had a long lasting alliance with Russia. Both countries have opposing ideals; which at the time was at an all time high considering impact on war decision making, that it wouldn't have worked out. It was surprising given the circumstances that people were led to believe that both Russia and Germany would be working together, but it simply wouldn't be.

Imagine what the world war would have been like had Russia and Germany actually made an alliance together? It would have made a much bleaker outcome that's for sure.
I couldn't imagine it because, well... Hitler absolutely hated the Slavs.  Had he won (and there was the ever so real possibility that he would had he not engaged in a two front war), the Slavs would be ruthlessly slaughtered and turned into slaves.  BUT however, the Nazis also had an alliance with the Italians or rather Mussolini's fascist regime, yet even still, the Germans viewed them as lesser peoples.  In fact, Mussolini and Hitler had a very unstable alliance but worked as a chance alliance against a greater threat.  Considering how he viewed the Italians as lesser people, but still worked with them, it wasn't so unreasonable that he'd work with the Slavs just for a while.
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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #141 on: August 04, 2016, 12:45:17 am »
"Cody from Alternate History Hub" (one of my favorite YouTubers) goes a bit more indepth on Nazi sentiments to Slavics with his 4 part imagining of a Nazi victory and ramifications of such an act.  If you have the time, check him out.  Of course, he doesn't go in depth of the nuances of the war or what'd happen as that level of theorizing would be just that "theorizing" but he gives a pretty general outlook on such an even. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSCuE7jmFa4&list=PL7DTipO5UGUuqPvmLNt4WgGjeVHtQ7e8O

Other great YouTubers regarding World War subjects would be this guy, though he only goes into WWI.  However, he goes into such a great amount of depth about the complexities of the war that I've learned quite a bit through him.  He plans on doing one for WWII but not for a while considering he's not even close to finished with WWI, despite having nearly 200 videos dedicated to it.

And I usually don't recommend YouTubers, but these guys are special
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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #142 on: August 04, 2016, 12:49:25 am »
I'm watching all of these that I can. Anything that pertains to WWII (especially what ifs like Germany winning) is something that gets my attention. Thanks for the recommendations.

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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #143 on: August 04, 2016, 12:58:10 am »
I'm watching all of these that I can. Anything that pertains to WWII (especially what ifs like Germany winning) is something that gets my attention. Thanks for the recommendations.

Hope you enjoy.  The AltHistoryHub guy goes on a lot of subjects, regarding what if situations.  I think I found him through a video of "What if the Purge was real?".  He pretty much expressed sentiments that I had said before about how economically inefficient the Purge actually is, etc.  His last videos seemed more leaned towards pop culture (ex. What would happen after Independence Day?) But he promised for more historical content, which is pretty great.  I enjoy him far more than I do the countless of videos Danny posts.
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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #144 on: August 18, 2016, 10:51:35 pm »
Make of this video what you will:

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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #145 on: August 18, 2016, 10:54:20 pm »

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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #147 on: June 20, 2018, 11:16:48 am »
After seeing the Ghostbusters reboot, I've come to realize how futile our existence on this planet is, kinda like the existencialism produced after the First World War and our amazing destructive ability, but said thing can be said about Ghostbusters, or every unnecessary reboot there is for nowadays. The things that we know and love are willing to betray us, by the hands of corporate smugglers ready to assault our wallets in every turn that we EVEN consider, the possibility of buying a ticket to their promised "quality product". It's all on the economy, the need for the money to come in is the quintessential pillar for the whole industry and, oh boy, it includes the need to profane the tombs of sacred franchises that were laid to rest in dignity and respect, only to be digged back up and their corpses flung around for the profit of the makers on those curious enough to see the whole, vile spectacle: and next, their desecrated corpse lays buried in half, to ease the job in digging it back up again when the profit calls.

In the end, nothing matters anymore. We could have radicalized the backlash to stop this unfunny piece of trash onto making its way into theaters, but in an age were food is right outside of our gates, Internet pornography, and the Kardashians still live their stupid lives on television, we had become dormant sheep, and we let this thing happen, we are all guilty of it. Ghostbusters is the sad remainder that we all are going to die someday, and nothing that we have ever done, lived, or seen, has ever fucking, mattered. It's our cardinal sin, that we have let this abomination onto the world, and we must live with it.

Paul Feig can suck a dick.

Still an epic post, even with all the Chilean spelling.

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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #148 on: June 20, 2018, 12:45:59 pm »
After seeing the Ghostbusters reboot, I've come to realize how futile our existence on this planet is, kinda like the existencialism produced after the First World War and our amazing destructive ability, but said thing can be said about Ghostbusters, or every unnecessary reboot there is for nowadays. The things that we know and love are willing to betray us, by the hands of corporate smugglers ready to assault our wallets in every turn that we EVEN consider, the possibility of buying a ticket to their promised "quality product". It's all on the economy, the need for the money to come in is the quintessential pillar for the whole industry and, oh boy, it includes the need to profane the tombs of sacred franchises that were laid to rest in dignity and respect, only to be digged back up and their corpses flung around for the profit of the makers on those curious enough to see the whole, vile spectacle: and next, their desecrated corpse lays buried in half, to ease the job in digging it back up again when the profit calls.

In the end, nothing matters anymore. We could have radicalized the backlash to stop this unfunny piece of trash onto making its way into theaters, but in an age were food is right outside of our gates, Internet pornography, and the Kardashians still live their stupid lives on television, we had become dormant sheep, and we let this thing happen, we are all guilty of it. Ghostbusters is the sad remainder that we all are going to die someday, and nothing that we have ever done, lived, or seen, has ever fucking, mattered. It's our cardinal sin, that we have let this abomination onto the world, and we must live with it.

Paul Feig can suck a dick.

Still an epic post, even with all the Chilean spelling.

I never saw it.  It's probably my most hated concept ever.  Take a GREAT ICONIC film.  Do a remake while making sure to gender-swap or race-swap all the main characters in an effort to make some kind of statement.  Vilify anyone who disagrees with this process.

Raynor is right.  Paul Feig can (and does) suck a dick.

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Re: Ghostbusters
« Reply #149 on: June 20, 2018, 01:05:36 pm »
Skimming this comment chain is like looking at collapsed YouTube comments. You know, where the first comment is "I didn't like this movie," then it says "97 hidden replies," followed by the latest comment... "You're wrong, you fucking asshole, the Nazis were socialists. A fascist without jackboots is just an angry barefoot guy. Oh, and the Chinese invented noodles, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it."

First off - HOLY SHIT DID I MISS AN EPIC THREAD here.

Secondly - this comment by Diego pretty much summed up my thoughts as I scrolled through and suddenly the Nazis invading Russia became the topic of discussion.

Thirdly - LOL to just about everything in this thread.

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« Reply #150 on: June 21, 2018, 09:36:21 am »
I love how the argument turned into a Nazi discussion. It was actually way more interesting and a much more meaningful discussion than the argument itself lol.

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« Reply #151 on: June 21, 2018, 09:37:12 am »
I love how the argument turned into a Nazi discussion. It was actually way more interesting and a much more meaningful discussion than the argument itself lol.

And Cutler and I went from fighting to just a regular discussion which was cool too.

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« Reply #152 on: June 21, 2018, 02:01:34 pm »
I love how the argument turned into a Nazi discussion. It was actually way more interesting and a much more meaningful discussion than the argument itself lol.

There isn't a much better example in a universe than an intended topic going completely off the rails and snowballing into a Nazi discussion.  And you're ability to tie it back in with Feig being Jewish was pretty priceless.

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« Reply #153 on: June 21, 2018, 02:56:24 pm »
I love how the argument turned into a Nazi discussion. It was actually way more interesting and a much more meaningful discussion than the argument itself lol.

There isn't a much better example in a universe than an intended topic going completely off the rails and snowballing into a Nazi discussion.  And you're ability to tie it back in with Feig being Jewish was pretty priceless.

Yeah I chuckled when I wrote that one. Good times.

 

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