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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2016, 04:35:49 pm »
"Their masks are built to ward off smoke, not toxins."

This line is so stupid it's actually impressive. It's giving me Prometheus flashbacks with its "Carbon dioxide at 28% = dead in 5 minutes."

Oh boy.... you don't want me to bring up science in TASM 2, do you?

Look, if it's about the Electro, then we all know that. It's just like how the lightsabers make no sense either, and the general FTL travel, and a lot more. It's the stuff that's hard-coded into each respective franchise, and which you more-or-less have to accept as an integral element. This bit is notable precisely because there was no need for them to include that bit of stupidity, and yet, they did.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2016, 05:03:51 pm »
So, we're almost halfway into the movie and, uh, what exactly is making her want to get back to the Tatooine Mark II anyway? Is this because Skywalker was actually there all along and the Force tells her to? Because in the 20-30 minutes we spent there, it failed to offer a compelling reason. I get they want to draw parallels with Luke's desire to escape, but, it's not going too well so far.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2016, 05:20:11 pm »
OK, so Luke's lightsaber... has been rusting in a random, unlocked wooden box, in a random, unlocked, unguarded  room in a corridor beneath a populous bar regularly visited by spies? This is amazing writing.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2016, 05:28:40 pm »
And now, yes, the infamous Death Star Mark III.  That First Order speaker ought to have put some sunglasses on as he finished the speech and fired the thing. It would've helped him not go blind, and would've been a good way to underscore the ridiculousness of the moment.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2016, 05:45:36 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2016, 05:50:14 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2016, 05:52:45 pm »
Han Solo dies.
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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2016, 05:54:34 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

And Leia's, whose father is Vader. That's why I said, get closer to grandfather.

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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2016, 05:59:59 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

And Leia's, whose father is Vader. That's why I said, get closer to grandfather.

Han Solo dies.
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Why would he have a scar to closely resemble his grandfather? That's like wearing your heart on a sleeve screenwriting 101. That's some stupid logic right there. He resembles him only because he idolizes him and wants to be more like him, but fails because he doesn't have enough evil in him. Physically resembling another character doesn't mean anything at all in terms of an actual connection.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2016, 06:03:11 pm »
That would be the equivalent of Joker's damaged tattoo.

It's so painfully obvious, it's stupid.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2016, 06:16:49 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

And Leia's, whose father is Vader. That's why I said, get closer to grandfather.

Han Solo dies.
I know

He resembles him only because he idolizes him and wants to be more like him, but fails because he doesn't have enough evil in him.

Oh, really? Let us recall the things Darth Vader actually did: he led the party that captured Leia, and he let all the rebels that surrendered live. He killed Obi-Wan in fair combat, he "altered the terms of the deal" (really minor, but I guess it has to be mentioned) and he tries getting Luke on his side repeatedly, until he ultimately redeems himself instead. In the 3rd prequel, he also killed the Jedi kids, Trade Federation people and... that's it, I think.

Kylo Ren here has already killed the other Jedi kids long ago, and he executed an unarmed man and those other people. (I could probably mention how he stood by and watched an entire star system being destroyed, as opposed to a relatively insignificant planet, but neither is a direct action.) So, really, he is already MORE evil then Vader even before he kills Solo. The failure of the film's characters to recognize that is far stupider then whether or not he has a scar.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2016, 06:25:22 pm »
So, they disable the shields by getting one person to press buttons on one console. I wonder what prevents other engineers, from, you know, turning it back on elsewhere.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2016, 06:34:18 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

And Leia's, whose father is Vader. That's why I said, get closer to grandfather.

Han Solo dies.
I know

He resembles him only because he idolizes him and wants to be more like him, but fails because he doesn't have enough evil in him.

Oh, really? Let us recall the things Darth Vader actually did: he led the party that captured Leia, and he let all the rebels that surrendered live. He killed Obi-Wan in fair combat, he "altered the terms of the deal" (really minor, but I guess it has to be mentioned) and he tries getting Luke on his side repeatedly, until he ultimately redeems himself instead. In the 3rd prequel, he also killed the Jedi kids, Trade Federation people and... that's it, I think.

Kylo Ren here has already killed the other Jedi kids long ago, and he executed an unarmed man and those other people. (I could probably mention how he stood by and watched an entire star system being destroyed, as opposed to a relatively insignificant planet, but neither is a direct action.) So, really, he is already MORE evil then Vader even before he kills Solo. The failure of the film's characters to recognize that is far stupider then whether or not he has a scar.

The fuck are you talking about here? He didn't kill Jedi kids, he killed the Jedi equivalents of himself. They were all as old as he was when he did it. It was the first and last class of Jedi Luke taught. He killed an unarmed man and some other random people. That does NOT compare to Darth Vader. You also fail to realize that Vader was much older than Ren, and had countless of other missions before Leia's capture, earning him that feared trait so common among the Empire's generals. And Vader still killed Obi-Wan who was like a brother to him long ago. Solo was an estranged father to Ren, there's nowhere near the same amount of interaction Ren had with Solo that Vader had with Obi-Wan.

Ren more evil  than Vader...give me a break, dude.

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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2016, 06:48:25 pm »
I must say, I'm enjoying this argument immensely.
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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2016, 06:56:22 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

And Leia's, whose father is Vader. That's why I said, get closer to grandfather.

Han Solo dies.
I know

He resembles him only because he idolizes him and wants to be more like him, but fails because he doesn't have enough evil in him.

Oh, really? Let us recall the things Darth Vader actually did: he led the party that captured Leia, and he let all the rebels that surrendered live. He killed Obi-Wan in fair combat, he "altered the terms of the deal" (really minor, but I guess it has to be mentioned) and he tries getting Luke on his side repeatedly, until he ultimately redeems himself instead. In the 3rd prequel, he also killed the Jedi kids, Trade Federation people and... that's it, I think.

Kylo Ren here has already killed the other Jedi kids long ago, and he executed an unarmed man and those other people. (I could probably mention how he stood by and watched an entire star system being destroyed, as opposed to a relatively insignificant planet, but neither is a direct action.) So, really, he is already MORE evil then Vader even before he kills Solo. The failure of the film's characters to recognize that is far stupider then whether or not he has a scar.

The fuck are you talking about here? He didn't kill Jedi kids, he killed the Jedi equivalents of himself. They were all as old as he was when he did it. It was the first and last class of Jedi Luke taught. He killed an unarmed man and some other random people. That does NOT compare to Darth Vader. You also fail to realize that Vader was much older than Ren, and had countless of other missions before Leia's capture, earning him that feared trait so common among the Empire's generals. And Vader still killed Obi-Wan who was like a brother to him long ago. Solo was an estranged father to Ren, there's nowhere near the same amount of interaction Ren had with Solo that Vader had with Obi-Wan.

Ren more evil  than Vader...give me a break, dude.


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Re: Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2016, 06:58:12 pm »
So... these "Resistance" X-Wings Neo blew up quite a lot, and yet, they did nothing about the distinct black ship parked on the ground? OK...

Also, the fanservice is getting annoying now.

Edit: Wait, THAT is actually what he looks like under his mask? I thought they would've at least had the decency to make him scar himself to get closer to his grandfather. Like, that would've been more logical than about 70% of events in the film anyway.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

And Leia's, whose father is Vader. That's why I said, get closer to grandfather.

Han Solo dies.
I know

He resembles him only because he idolizes him and wants to be more like him, but fails because he doesn't have enough evil in him.

Oh, really? Let us recall the things Darth Vader actually did: he led the party that captured Leia, and he let all the rebels that surrendered live. He killed Obi-Wan in fair combat, he "altered the terms of the deal" (really minor, but I guess it has to be mentioned) and he tries getting Luke on his side repeatedly, until he ultimately redeems himself instead. In the 3rd prequel, he also killed the Jedi kids, Trade Federation people and... that's it, I think.

Kylo Ren here has already killed the other Jedi kids long ago, and he executed an unarmed man and those other people. (I could probably mention how he stood by and watched an entire star system being destroyed, as opposed to a relatively insignificant planet, but neither is a direct action.) So, really, he is already MORE evil then Vader even before he kills Solo. The failure of the film's characters to recognize that is far stupider then whether or not he has a scar.

The fuck are you talking about here? He didn't kill Jedi kids, he killed the Jedi equivalents of himself. They were all as old as he was when he did it. It was the first and last class of Jedi Luke taught. He killed an unarmed man and some other random people. That does NOT compare to Darth Vader. You also fail to realize that Vader was much older than Ren, and had countless of other missions before Leia's capture, earning him that feared trait so common among the Empire's generals. And Vader still killed Obi-Wan who was like a brother to him long ago. Solo was an estranged father to Ren, there's nowhere near the same amount of interaction Ren had with Solo that Vader had with Obi-Wan.

Ren more evil  than Vader...give me a break, dude.

I'm going off what has been shown and told to us in the series. We are not told their exact ages when it happened, and it sounded like they were all quite young at the time: either way, though, do you really want to start splitting hairs about the relative morality of a teen killing kids vs. teen killing teens? And of course, that "like a brother" had cut off three limbs off his and left him to die much earlier - that would make him quite evil in your estimate too, then, wouldn't it? It now basically comes down to Vader being less willing to kill large groups of unarmed, surrendered people vs. Ren being less willing to force choke underlings to death. Yeah, if the Force can make such an unambiguous judgement on this, then the Force is kinda broken.

Edit: Oh, and since we're apparently not using the real-world "unprovoked murder is bad with little relation to the victim" approach and are instead judging it by the closeness of the victim to perpetrator... You'll then have to argue against the entire ending of Revenge of the Sith. Because, you know... Luke= estranged son to Vader, whom he hardly ever knew. Emperor = father figure he knew closely for decades, and who had brought him back to life after Obi-Wan nearly killed him. Would that mean killing Emperor was a more evil thing to do then letting a son he barely knew die?

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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2016, 07:07:38 pm »
Oh, and yeah, finished it. My score currently hovers between 3/10 and 4/10. I'm finding it surprisingly difficult to decide which one was worse: this or Age of Ultron.
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« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2016, 07:26:27 pm »
So, we're almost halfway into the movie and, uh, what exactly is making her want to get back to the Tatooine Mark II anyway? Is this because Skywalker was actually there all along and the Force tells her to? Because in the 20-30 minutes we spent there, it failed to offer a compelling reason. I get they want to draw parallels with Luke's desire to escape, but, it's not going too well so far.

She was abandoned as a child and is still waiting for her parents to return. Are you paying attention?

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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2016, 07:37:58 pm »
So, we're almost halfway into the movie and, uh, what exactly is making her want to get back to the Tatooine Mark II anyway? Is this because Skywalker was actually there all along and the Force tells her to? Because in the 20-30 minutes we spent there, it failed to offer a compelling reason. I get they want to draw parallels with Luke's desire to escape, but, it's not going too well so far.

She was abandoned as a child and is still waiting for her parents to return. Are you paying attention?

You mean, the vision thing? When I wrote this post, that vision didn't occur yet: I was referring to when Han Solo offers her to stay on as second mate, and she says she would rather go back.

Now that this is finished, though, can we actually, truly talk about how nonsensical that scavenging part is? She goes out every day to get the tiniest pieces off these huge ships, and often all it gets her is barely enough food to eat? How does she ever manage to refuel at these rates, then? Really, it makes no sense that she's basically a loner with that kind of economy. When people actually have to live like that in RL, they all band up in pretty large cooperatives because otherwise they would never pay off expenses like fuel off off the scraps they make.

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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2016, 07:39:37 pm »
So, we're almost halfway into the movie and, uh, what exactly is making her want to get back to the Tatooine Mark II anyway? Is this because Skywalker was actually there all along and the Force tells her to? Because in the 20-30 minutes we spent there, it failed to offer a compelling reason. I get they want to draw parallels with Luke's desire to escape, but, it's not going too well so far.

She was abandoned as a child and is still waiting for her parents to return. Are you paying attention?

You mean, the vision thing? When I wrote this post, that vision didn't occur yet: I was referring to when Han Solo offers her to stay on as second mate, and she says she would rather go back.

Now that this is finished, though, can we actually, truly talk about how nonsensical that scavenging part is? She goes out every day to get the tiniest pieces off these huge ships, and often all it gets her is barely enough food to eat? How does she ever manage to refuel at these rates, then? Really, it makes no sense that she's basically a loner with that kind of economy. When people actually have to live like that in RL, they all band up in pretty large cooperatives because otherwise they would never pay off expenses like fuel off off the scraps they make.

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