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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #140 on: April 05, 2018, 06:43:47 pm »
RGIII signs with Baltimore.  Interesting signing.  If he's healthy, he's probably one of the better back-ups in the league.
I wish we had signed Kaep instead, but I'd still way rather roll with RG3 than fucking Ryan Mallet again so I'll take it.

Haha - they were going to sign Kap last year - then his gf posts on Twitter linking the Ravens owner to a slave driver.  Obviously, that ended any potential employment with the Ravens. 
Yeah that was so dumb lol. Amazingly, she still hasn't deleted that tweet. I'm just speaking from a production standpoint though, there was no way Biscotti was paying him money after that tweet.

Yeah that was uber-dumb.  I mean there was NOTHING to gain by it and, to make it dumber, Biscotti is the very first owner to hire a black General Manager and has stuck with him for the past 16 years.  So to try and paint him specifically as a slave-driver was beyond insane.

As to the production, I really don't think Kap is very good.  I think he WAS good before Defensive Coordinators figured out his game.  A lot of his success was based on an amazing defense, a very QB-friendly head coach, and a system that was still relatively new to defenses.  Much like the Wildcat, it simply didn't pan out as a long-term viable success.  Also, his skills started to regress - as they do eventually for all athletes - earlier than some.  Maybe it was all the running he did early on and took so many hits, but his movement skills just didn't seem the same in recent years.  In the games I watched the last 2 years he played, he generally really struggled through 3 quarters, then would have some stat-padding opportunities in the 4th quarters when they were way behind.  Still, these numbers are pretty rough...



Now, as far as signing him as a back-up...I simply wouldn't do it.  Everything you do in an NFL front office is merit-based.  A player is paid a certain amount as long as he is producing at a certain level.  That's why you see good players (Suh, King, etc) getting cut - because their high contract outweighs their production.  You also get players who are distractions (Marcus Peters) getting traded despite being really good players - because their distraction outweighs their production.  Which brings me to Kap.  The media frenzy that would occur if Kap were to be signed is simply not worth it because the massive distraction would outweigh his production as a back-up QB.  Moreover, the locker room would become fractured as there are many, many players (some of whom are afraid to speak up because of the SJW tidal wave) who are incredibly offended at the anthem-kneeling - not to mention his wearing of pig socks and referring to cops as "slave patrols".  So to sign a back-up QB with declining production, you would be inheriting a massive media frenzy along the lines of Tim Tebow AND you would be willfully fracturing your locker room.  It's simply not worth the hassle.  If Kaepernick was Tom Brady, you'd take all of those problems because the production would outweigh the distraction, but that's simply not the case with Kaepernick.

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #142 on: April 21, 2018, 07:47:38 pm »
I'm gonna laugh if the Jets use the #3 overall pick on Baker Mayfield.  That front office will be cleaned out within 8 months if that happens.

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2018, 10:29:32 pm »
https://clutchpoints.com/falcons-news-julio-jones-purges-social-media-accounts-of-team-connections/



Saw that - haven't heard anything concrete that leads me to believe they are shopping him or he is asking to be traded.  Maybe he's angling for a new deal?

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2018, 10:30:18 pm »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 
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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2018, 10:32:11 pm »
https://clutchpoints.com/falcons-news-julio-jones-purges-social-media-accounts-of-team-connections/



Saw that - haven't heard anything concrete that leads me to believe they are shopping him or he is asking to be traded.  Maybe he's angling for a new deal?

They better give him what he asks for.  Julio is the only thing that keeps the offense from falling apart.  He is their biggest threat.
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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2018, 10:33:16 pm »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 

Not me.  Matt Ryan is a nice QB.  Probably a top 10 QB in the league right now, but not top 5.  To me, Julio is the #2 WR in the league behind Antonio Brown.  I don't put OBJ near the same level as Julio because Julio is WAY more committed, serious, and reliable.

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« Reply #148 on: April 23, 2018, 10:34:26 pm »
https://clutchpoints.com/falcons-news-julio-jones-purges-social-media-accounts-of-team-connections/



Saw that - haven't heard anything concrete that leads me to believe they are shopping him or he is asking to be traded.  Maybe he's angling for a new deal?

They better give him what he asks for.  Julio is the only thing that keeps the offense from falling apart.  He is their biggest threat.

They lost Gabriel too in the offseason.  And Sark is a horseshit offensive coordinator - I've hated him from his USC days.  Going from Kyle Shanahan to Sark was a massive downgrade.

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #149 on: April 23, 2018, 10:38:35 pm »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 

Not me.  Matt Ryan is a nice QB.  Probably a top 10 QB in the league right now, but not top 5.  To me, Julio is the #2 WR in the league behind Antonio Brown.  I don't put OBJ near the same level as Julio because Julio is WAY more committed, serious, and reliable.

Agreed.  Matty Ice is a legit QB.   Falcons fans want him to be gone though (they're completely retarded), but the front office prioritized getting him a new contract over Julio.  Julio leaving would leave Matt Ryan without his most dynamic threat.  Losing Gabriel was bad enough.  That kid was like an even faster Julian Edelman.  But losing Julio is death.

I think I would be physically sick if Julio leaves and goes to the Saints.
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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #150 on: April 23, 2018, 10:53:47 pm »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 

Not me.  Matt Ryan is a nice QB.  Probably a top 10 QB in the league right now, but not top 5.  To me, Julio is the #2 WR in the league behind Antonio Brown.  I don't put OBJ near the same level as Julio because Julio is WAY more committed, serious, and reliable.

Agreed.  Matty Ice is a legit QB.   Falcons fans want him to be gone though (they're completely retarded), but the front office prioritized getting him a new contract over Julio.  Julio leaving would leave Matt Ryan without his most dynamic threat.  Losing Gabriel was bad enough.  That kid was like an even faster Julian Edelman.  But losing Julio is death.

I think I would be physically sick if Julio leaves and goes to the Saints.

No chance he goes to the Saints.  Falcons won't trade him in division. Saints can't afford him.  Plus they're going to have to pay Michael Thomas this year, and knowing the GM they won't pay 2 WRs high end money. 

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #151 on: April 24, 2018, 12:10:11 am »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 
Honestly, Matt Ryan is more important to the team's success, just because QB is so much more important. As Dylan said, Matty Ice is a top 10 QB whereas Julio is a top 2 WR, but because QB is so important I'd say Matty Ice is more valuable to the Falcons. Just look at the contracts each position attracts; there's a reason QBs make up all the top salaries in the league.

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #152 on: April 24, 2018, 12:12:53 am »

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #153 on: April 24, 2018, 12:27:49 am »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 
Honestly, Matt Ryan is more important to the team's success, just because QB is so much more important. As Dylan said, Matty Ice is a top 10 QB whereas Julio is a top 2 WR, but because QB is so important I'd say Matty Ice is more valuable to the Falcons. Just look at the contracts each position attracts; there's a reason QBs make up all the top salaries in the league.

The majority of Matt Ryan's plays can be summed up to "Julio is in that general direction so I'll just throw it there and he'll make the play."  Julio makes Matt Ryan look much better than he really is.  Just look at the games when Julio was out last season. 
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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #154 on: April 24, 2018, 12:33:12 am »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 
Honestly, Matt Ryan is more important to the team's success, just because QB is so much more important. As Dylan said, Matty Ice is a top 10 QB whereas Julio is a top 2 WR, but because QB is so important I'd say Matty Ice is more valuable to the Falcons. Just look at the contracts each position attracts; there's a reason QBs make up all the top salaries in the league.

I think it's probably tougher to find a top 2 WR than it is to find a top 10 QB to be honest.  Yes, the QB is much more important than any position in any team sport.  But Julio is an elite-level blue while Matt Ryan is a mid-Red.  They both should be paid though, and there is absolutely no reason they shouldn't be able to.

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« Reply #155 on: April 24, 2018, 02:19:26 am »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 
Honestly, Matt Ryan is more important to the team's success, just because QB is so much more important. As Dylan said, Matty Ice is a top 10 QB whereas Julio is a top 2 WR, but because QB is so important I'd say Matty Ice is more valuable to the Falcons. Just look at the contracts each position attracts; there's a reason QBs make up all the top salaries in the league.

I think it's probably tougher to find a top 2 WR than it is to find a top 10 QB to be honest.  Yes, the QB is much more important than any position in any team sport.  But Julio is an elite-level blue while Matt Ryan is a mid-Red.  They both should be paid though, and there is absolutely no reason they shouldn't be able to.
Well, I'd agree that definitionally it's tougher to find a top 2 WR than a top 10 QB lol. However, I'd also argue that having a top ten QB is more influential in terms of team success. Either way though, you're right in that these are the types of guys you pay no matter what (which is really the main point imo).

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« Reply #156 on: April 24, 2018, 08:49:04 am »
If the Falcons seriously lose Julio Jones, I'm done.  I'm done supporting an organization that shoots itself in the foot every step of the way.  Who prioritizes Matt Ryan over Julio Jones?  WHO!? 
Honestly, Matt Ryan is more important to the team's success, just because QB is so much more important. As Dylan said, Matty Ice is a top 10 QB whereas Julio is a top 2 WR, but because QB is so important I'd say Matty Ice is more valuable to the Falcons. Just look at the contracts each position attracts; there's a reason QBs make up all the top salaries in the league.

I think it's probably tougher to find a top 2 WR than it is to find a top 10 QB to be honest.  Yes, the QB is much more important than any position in any team sport.  But Julio is an elite-level blue while Matt Ryan is a mid-Red.  They both should be paid though, and there is absolutely no reason they shouldn't be able to.
Well, I'd agree that definitionally it's tougher to find a top 2 WR than a top 10 QB lol. However, I'd also argue that having a top ten QB is more influential in terms of team success. Either way though, you're right in that these are the types of guys you pay no matter what (which is really the main point imo).

The only problem i foresee is that Atlanta has zero cap space at this point.  So to re-sign Julio, they are going to need to restructure and/or cut a lot of contracts.  Julio is about to begin year 4 of a 6 year deal, so in reality they shouldn't have to rework his deal for at least another year.  However, he is only making $10.5 mil, $12.5 mil and $11.4 mil (those are cash number NOT Cap numbers) over the next 3 years, so he is definitely underpaid from a market value perspective - but that's what happens when you do a long term deal right as the Cap shoots up astronomically.  I see both sides of this.  But, in the end, something will surely get done to keep him on the Falcons both short and long-term.

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #157 on: May 02, 2018, 11:15:03 am »
Well, this is just absurd now.  I mean, free agency is STILL going on, and a lot of the top Safeties have yet to be signed. 


https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/02/report-former-49ers-safety-eric-reid-files-collusion-grievance-against-nfl/

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Re: NFL Thread
« Reply #159 on: May 03, 2018, 05:55:04 pm »
Matt Ryan gets $30 mil per year.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/matt-ryan-contract-extension-falcons-guarantee-nfl-free-agency-2019/

Packers fans sure do talk a lot of shit for having a shitty team that gets blown out by the Falcons.
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