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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #500 on: August 21, 2017, 07:34:43 am »
First review is up on RT.

"The episode offers up a battle between CGI dragons and CGI zombies, to pulpy effect but no moral consequence."

Big fat splat.

Could this episode go lower than Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? I sure hope so. The writers deserve some serious critical backlash for this one.
I'd say it's high points even out its lows, but you're 100% right that this is the most flawed episode in the series to date. Still prefer it over Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken though. Hopefully the events from this episode will even themselves out and prove worthwhile, just as many of the events in Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken did.

Too late. Jon bent the knee. I don't recall Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken ruining a character I've spent three years of my life rooting for.

Next two reviews are another splat and a fresh. If nothing else, the critics seem to understand that this one is of significantly lower quality than GoT is used to.
Maybe it's because my feelings on Dany are fairly neutral, but the bending of the knee didn't bother me at all. If anything, it'll give the whole Sansa/Jon/Arya conflict more purpose.

I think the episode suffers most in comparison to other Thrones episodes. On its own its entertaining but ridiculous high fantasy, but if you compare it to something like Hardhome, it's a big disappointment.

Even if you feel "neutral" about her, this should irritate you. There has been no hard evidence for this entire show as to why Daenerys is a ruler who should be respected or admired. The fact that so many genuinely likable characters are now mindlessly following her does not make her look better; rather, it makes them look worse. She is the most poorly-written character on the show, and she is portrayed by the worst actress out of the entire main cast. What exactly convinced Jon to bend the knee this episode? Because she has dragons? Hard to forget, seeing as she reminds us "I have three very large dragons" every single fucking episode.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand what was going through the writers' heads when they wrote Arya's scenes in this season. Holy crap, this was terrible. Arguably the worst aspect of the season thus far.
Jon bent the knee because he saw that she was willing to risk her life and the lives of her dragons to save him and the rest of his crew. She wants to be queen and is certainly thirsty for power, but in that scene Jon sees that she's willing to put her life on the line for something she cares about. That's a quality Jon respects, obviously, given how often he's willing to do it himself. If he sees her as a brave and heroic queen who will do what's best for her people and those she cares about, then why wouldn't he bend the knee? Jon bent the knee because Dany proved that she was a leader worth following, plain and simple.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #501 on: August 21, 2017, 08:27:23 pm »
First review is up on RT.

"The episode offers up a battle between CGI dragons and CGI zombies, to pulpy effect but no moral consequence."

Big fat splat.

Could this episode go lower than Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? I sure hope so. The writers deserve some serious critical backlash for this one.
I'd say it's high points even out its lows, but you're 100% right that this is the most flawed episode in the series to date. Still prefer it over Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken though. Hopefully the events from this episode will even themselves out and prove worthwhile, just as many of the events in Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken did.

Too late. Jon bent the knee. I don't recall Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken ruining a character I've spent three years of my life rooting for.

Next two reviews are another splat and a fresh. If nothing else, the critics seem to understand that this one is of significantly lower quality than GoT is used to.
Maybe it's because my feelings on Dany are fairly neutral, but the bending of the knee didn't bother me at all. If anything, it'll give the whole Sansa/Jon/Arya conflict more purpose.

I think the episode suffers most in comparison to other Thrones episodes. On its own its entertaining but ridiculous high fantasy, but if you compare it to something like Hardhome, it's a big disappointment.

Even if you feel "neutral" about her, this should irritate you. There has been no hard evidence for this entire show as to why Daenerys is a ruler who should be respected or admired. The fact that so many genuinely likable characters are now mindlessly following her does not make her look better; rather, it makes them look worse. She is the most poorly-written character on the show, and she is portrayed by the worst actress out of the entire main cast. What exactly convinced Jon to bend the knee this episode? Because she has dragons? Hard to forget, seeing as she reminds us "I have three very large dragons" every single fucking episode.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand what was going through the writers' heads when they wrote Arya's scenes in this season. Holy crap, this was terrible. Arguably the worst aspect of the season thus far.
Jon bent the knee because he saw that she was willing to risk her life and the lives of her dragons to save him and the rest of his crew. She wants to be queen and is certainly thirsty for power, but in that scene Jon sees that she's willing to put her life on the line for something she cares about. That's a quality Jon respects, obviously, given how often he's willing to do it himself. If he sees her as a brave and heroic queen who will do what's best for her people and those she cares about, then why wouldn't he bend the knee? Jon bent the knee because Dany proved that she was a leader worth following, plain and simple.

It's easy to be "brave" when you have a bunch of dragons to back you up. I wonder, has she so much as touched a sword once in all seven seasons of this show? There's nothing heroic about having everyone else do your bidding for you.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #502 on: August 21, 2017, 10:13:05 pm »
First review is up on RT.

"The episode offers up a battle between CGI dragons and CGI zombies, to pulpy effect but no moral consequence."

Big fat splat.

Could this episode go lower than Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? I sure hope so. The writers deserve some serious critical backlash for this one.
I'd say it's high points even out its lows, but you're 100% right that this is the most flawed episode in the series to date. Still prefer it over Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken though. Hopefully the events from this episode will even themselves out and prove worthwhile, just as many of the events in Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken did.

Too late. Jon bent the knee. I don't recall Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken ruining a character I've spent three years of my life rooting for.

Next two reviews are another splat and a fresh. If nothing else, the critics seem to understand that this one is of significantly lower quality than GoT is used to.
Maybe it's because my feelings on Dany are fairly neutral, but the bending of the knee didn't bother me at all. If anything, it'll give the whole Sansa/Jon/Arya conflict more purpose.

I think the episode suffers most in comparison to other Thrones episodes. On its own its entertaining but ridiculous high fantasy, but if you compare it to something like Hardhome, it's a big disappointment.

Even if you feel "neutral" about her, this should irritate you. There has been no hard evidence for this entire show as to why Daenerys is a ruler who should be respected or admired. The fact that so many genuinely likable characters are now mindlessly following her does not make her look better; rather, it makes them look worse. She is the most poorly-written character on the show, and she is portrayed by the worst actress out of the entire main cast. What exactly convinced Jon to bend the knee this episode? Because she has dragons? Hard to forget, seeing as she reminds us "I have three very large dragons" every single fucking episode.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand what was going through the writers' heads when they wrote Arya's scenes in this season. Holy crap, this was terrible. Arguably the worst aspect of the season thus far.
Jon bent the knee because he saw that she was willing to risk her life and the lives of her dragons to save him and the rest of his crew. She wants to be queen and is certainly thirsty for power, but in that scene Jon sees that she's willing to put her life on the line for something she cares about. That's a quality Jon respects, obviously, given how often he's willing to do it himself. If he sees her as a brave and heroic queen who will do what's best for her people and those she cares about, then why wouldn't he bend the knee? Jon bent the knee because Dany proved that she was a leader worth following, plain and simple.

It's easy to be "brave" when you have a bunch of dragons to back you up. I wonder, has she so much as touched a sword once in all seven seasons of this show? There's nothing heroic about having everyone else do your bidding for you.
Why should she pick up a sword? You're criticizing the show for potholes (justly, I might add), but why the fuck would Dany ever use a sword when she can fly on Drogon. She's the only person in the world who can do that, so why would she mess around with swords? Unlike Jon, Dany realizes how valuable she is, and while she's willing to risk her life for a cause she deems worthy (like the rescue mission), she has no interest in acting brave for the sake of it. 

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #503 on: August 21, 2017, 11:04:37 pm »
First review is up on RT.

"The episode offers up a battle between CGI dragons and CGI zombies, to pulpy effect but no moral consequence."

Big fat splat.

Could this episode go lower than Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? I sure hope so. The writers deserve some serious critical backlash for this one.
I'd say it's high points even out its lows, but you're 100% right that this is the most flawed episode in the series to date. Still prefer it over Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken though. Hopefully the events from this episode will even themselves out and prove worthwhile, just as many of the events in Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken did.

Too late. Jon bent the knee. I don't recall Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken ruining a character I've spent three years of my life rooting for.

Next two reviews are another splat and a fresh. If nothing else, the critics seem to understand that this one is of significantly lower quality than GoT is used to.
Maybe it's because my feelings on Dany are fairly neutral, but the bending of the knee didn't bother me at all. If anything, it'll give the whole Sansa/Jon/Arya conflict more purpose.

I think the episode suffers most in comparison to other Thrones episodes. On its own its entertaining but ridiculous high fantasy, but if you compare it to something like Hardhome, it's a big disappointment.

Even if you feel "neutral" about her, this should irritate you. There has been no hard evidence for this entire show as to why Daenerys is a ruler who should be respected or admired. The fact that so many genuinely likable characters are now mindlessly following her does not make her look better; rather, it makes them look worse. She is the most poorly-written character on the show, and she is portrayed by the worst actress out of the entire main cast. What exactly convinced Jon to bend the knee this episode? Because she has dragons? Hard to forget, seeing as she reminds us "I have three very large dragons" every single fucking episode.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand what was going through the writers' heads when they wrote Arya's scenes in this season. Holy crap, this was terrible. Arguably the worst aspect of the season thus far.
Jon bent the knee because he saw that she was willing to risk her life and the lives of her dragons to save him and the rest of his crew. She wants to be queen and is certainly thirsty for power, but in that scene Jon sees that she's willing to put her life on the line for something she cares about. That's a quality Jon respects, obviously, given how often he's willing to do it himself. If he sees her as a brave and heroic queen who will do what's best for her people and those she cares about, then why wouldn't he bend the knee? Jon bent the knee because Dany proved that she was a leader worth following, plain and simple.

It's easy to be "brave" when you have a bunch of dragons to back you up. I wonder, has she so much as touched a sword once in all seven seasons of this show? There's nothing heroic about having everyone else do your bidding for you.
Why should she pick up a sword? You're criticizing the show for potholes (justly, I might add), but why the fuck would Dany ever use a sword when she can fly on Drogon. She's the only person in the world who can do that, so why would she mess around with swords? Unlike Jon, Dany realizes how valuable she is, and while she's willing to risk her life for a cause she deems worthy (like the rescue mission), she has no interest in acting brave for the sake of it. 

I'm saying that she never gets her hands dirty. It makes no sense for someone like Jon, who has fought and bled for pretty much every single thing he's gotten, to bow to someone who does nothing but delegate all the hard labor to her underlings.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #504 on: August 21, 2017, 11:11:02 pm »
First review is up on RT.

"The episode offers up a battle between CGI dragons and CGI zombies, to pulpy effect but no moral consequence."

Big fat splat.

Could this episode go lower than Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? I sure hope so. The writers deserve some serious critical backlash for this one.
I'd say it's high points even out its lows, but you're 100% right that this is the most flawed episode in the series to date. Still prefer it over Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken though. Hopefully the events from this episode will even themselves out and prove worthwhile, just as many of the events in Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken did.

Too late. Jon bent the knee. I don't recall Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken ruining a character I've spent three years of my life rooting for.

Next two reviews are another splat and a fresh. If nothing else, the critics seem to understand that this one is of significantly lower quality than GoT is used to.
Maybe it's because my feelings on Dany are fairly neutral, but the bending of the knee didn't bother me at all. If anything, it'll give the whole Sansa/Jon/Arya conflict more purpose.

I think the episode suffers most in comparison to other Thrones episodes. On its own its entertaining but ridiculous high fantasy, but if you compare it to something like Hardhome, it's a big disappointment.

Even if you feel "neutral" about her, this should irritate you. There has been no hard evidence for this entire show as to why Daenerys is a ruler who should be respected or admired. The fact that so many genuinely likable characters are now mindlessly following her does not make her look better; rather, it makes them look worse. She is the most poorly-written character on the show, and she is portrayed by the worst actress out of the entire main cast. What exactly convinced Jon to bend the knee this episode? Because she has dragons? Hard to forget, seeing as she reminds us "I have three very large dragons" every single fucking episode.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand what was going through the writers' heads when they wrote Arya's scenes in this season. Holy crap, this was terrible. Arguably the worst aspect of the season thus far.
Jon bent the knee because he saw that she was willing to risk her life and the lives of her dragons to save him and the rest of his crew. She wants to be queen and is certainly thirsty for power, but in that scene Jon sees that she's willing to put her life on the line for something she cares about. That's a quality Jon respects, obviously, given how often he's willing to do it himself. If he sees her as a brave and heroic queen who will do what's best for her people and those she cares about, then why wouldn't he bend the knee? Jon bent the knee because Dany proved that she was a leader worth following, plain and simple.

It's easy to be "brave" when you have a bunch of dragons to back you up. I wonder, has she so much as touched a sword once in all seven seasons of this show? There's nothing heroic about having everyone else do your bidding for you.
Why should she pick up a sword? You're criticizing the show for potholes (justly, I might add), but why the fuck would Dany ever use a sword when she can fly on Drogon. She's the only person in the world who can do that, so why would she mess around with swords? Unlike Jon, Dany realizes how valuable she is, and while she's willing to risk her life for a cause she deems worthy (like the rescue mission), she has no interest in acting brave for the sake of it. 

I'm saying that she never gets her hands dirty. It makes no sense for someone like Jon, who has fought and bled for pretty much every single thing he's gotten, to bow to someone who does nothing but delegate all the hard labor to her underlings.
Perhaps Jon recognizes that delegation is what a king/queen has to do, a statement I certainly believe to be true. Listening to advisors and stuff like that should be lauded, not looked down upon. Also, Jon never really had the intention of leading anything, and furthermore keeping himself alive was never as much of a priority (Dany's unique and irreplaceable to her cause because of her dragons). Either way though, I don't really get what you mean when you criticize her for "not getting her hands dirty". She's entered battles when necessary, but she doesn't want to just raze everything with the dragons and if she's not going to be on Drogon then there's really no reason for her to be fighting. Why risk her death battling with a sword in hand to hand combat? You have to admit the idea just makes no sense.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #505 on: August 21, 2017, 11:27:38 pm »
First review is up on RT.

"The episode offers up a battle between CGI dragons and CGI zombies, to pulpy effect but no moral consequence."

Big fat splat.

Could this episode go lower than Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? I sure hope so. The writers deserve some serious critical backlash for this one.
I'd say it's high points even out its lows, but you're 100% right that this is the most flawed episode in the series to date. Still prefer it over Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken though. Hopefully the events from this episode will even themselves out and prove worthwhile, just as many of the events in Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken did.

Too late. Jon bent the knee. I don't recall Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken ruining a character I've spent three years of my life rooting for.

Next two reviews are another splat and a fresh. If nothing else, the critics seem to understand that this one is of significantly lower quality than GoT is used to.
Maybe it's because my feelings on Dany are fairly neutral, but the bending of the knee didn't bother me at all. If anything, it'll give the whole Sansa/Jon/Arya conflict more purpose.

I think the episode suffers most in comparison to other Thrones episodes. On its own its entertaining but ridiculous high fantasy, but if you compare it to something like Hardhome, it's a big disappointment.

Even if you feel "neutral" about her, this should irritate you. There has been no hard evidence for this entire show as to why Daenerys is a ruler who should be respected or admired. The fact that so many genuinely likable characters are now mindlessly following her does not make her look better; rather, it makes them look worse. She is the most poorly-written character on the show, and she is portrayed by the worst actress out of the entire main cast. What exactly convinced Jon to bend the knee this episode? Because she has dragons? Hard to forget, seeing as she reminds us "I have three very large dragons" every single fucking episode.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand what was going through the writers' heads when they wrote Arya's scenes in this season. Holy crap, this was terrible. Arguably the worst aspect of the season thus far.
Jon bent the knee because he saw that she was willing to risk her life and the lives of her dragons to save him and the rest of his crew. She wants to be queen and is certainly thirsty for power, but in that scene Jon sees that she's willing to put her life on the line for something she cares about. That's a quality Jon respects, obviously, given how often he's willing to do it himself. If he sees her as a brave and heroic queen who will do what's best for her people and those she cares about, then why wouldn't he bend the knee? Jon bent the knee because Dany proved that she was a leader worth following, plain and simple.

It's easy to be "brave" when you have a bunch of dragons to back you up. I wonder, has she so much as touched a sword once in all seven seasons of this show? There's nothing heroic about having everyone else do your bidding for you.
Why should she pick up a sword? You're criticizing the show for potholes (justly, I might add), but why the fuck would Dany ever use a sword when she can fly on Drogon. She's the only person in the world who can do that, so why would she mess around with swords? Unlike Jon, Dany realizes how valuable she is, and while she's willing to risk her life for a cause she deems worthy (like the rescue mission), she has no interest in acting brave for the sake of it. 

I'm saying that she never gets her hands dirty. It makes no sense for someone like Jon, who has fought and bled for pretty much every single thing he's gotten, to bow to someone who does nothing but delegate all the hard labor to her underlings.
Perhaps Jon recognizes that delegation is what a king/queen has to do, a statement I certainly believe to be true. Listening to advisors and stuff like that should be lauded, not looked down upon. Also, Jon never really had the intention of leading anything, and furthermore keeping himself alive was never as much of a priority (Dany's unique and irreplaceable to her cause because of her dragons). Either way though, I don't really get what you mean when you criticize her for "not getting her hands dirty". She's entered battles when necessary, but she doesn't want to just raze everything with the dragons and if she's not going to be on Drogon then there's really no reason for her to be fighting. Why risk her death battling with a sword in hand to hand combat? You have to admit the idea just makes no sense.

The question is why Jon would choose to follow her and why he finds her to be an admirable leader. Please don't say "because she's super important." The show has been telling me for seven seasons how important she is; that hasn't made me like her as a person or respect her as a ruler. Jon has met his fair share of pompous rich people, and he always seems to see them for what they are. He's not the type of person who blindly follows others because they've got fancy last names (or because they're hot). It makes no sense for his character.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #506 on: August 22, 2017, 12:17:15 am »
First review is up on RT.

"The episode offers up a battle between CGI dragons and CGI zombies, to pulpy effect but no moral consequence."

Big fat splat.

Could this episode go lower than Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken? I sure hope so. The writers deserve some serious critical backlash for this one.
I'd say it's high points even out its lows, but you're 100% right that this is the most flawed episode in the series to date. Still prefer it over Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken though. Hopefully the events from this episode will even themselves out and prove worthwhile, just as many of the events in Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken did.

Too late. Jon bent the knee. I don't recall Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken ruining a character I've spent three years of my life rooting for.

Next two reviews are another splat and a fresh. If nothing else, the critics seem to understand that this one is of significantly lower quality than GoT is used to.
Maybe it's because my feelings on Dany are fairly neutral, but the bending of the knee didn't bother me at all. If anything, it'll give the whole Sansa/Jon/Arya conflict more purpose.

I think the episode suffers most in comparison to other Thrones episodes. On its own its entertaining but ridiculous high fantasy, but if you compare it to something like Hardhome, it's a big disappointment.

Even if you feel "neutral" about her, this should irritate you. There has been no hard evidence for this entire show as to why Daenerys is a ruler who should be respected or admired. The fact that so many genuinely likable characters are now mindlessly following her does not make her look better; rather, it makes them look worse. She is the most poorly-written character on the show, and she is portrayed by the worst actress out of the entire main cast. What exactly convinced Jon to bend the knee this episode? Because she has dragons? Hard to forget, seeing as she reminds us "I have three very large dragons" every single fucking episode.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand what was going through the writers' heads when they wrote Arya's scenes in this season. Holy crap, this was terrible. Arguably the worst aspect of the season thus far.
Jon bent the knee because he saw that she was willing to risk her life and the lives of her dragons to save him and the rest of his crew. She wants to be queen and is certainly thirsty for power, but in that scene Jon sees that she's willing to put her life on the line for something she cares about. That's a quality Jon respects, obviously, given how often he's willing to do it himself. If he sees her as a brave and heroic queen who will do what's best for her people and those she cares about, then why wouldn't he bend the knee? Jon bent the knee because Dany proved that she was a leader worth following, plain and simple.

It's easy to be "brave" when you have a bunch of dragons to back you up. I wonder, has she so much as touched a sword once in all seven seasons of this show? There's nothing heroic about having everyone else do your bidding for you.
Why should she pick up a sword? You're criticizing the show for potholes (justly, I might add), but why the fuck would Dany ever use a sword when she can fly on Drogon. She's the only person in the world who can do that, so why would she mess around with swords? Unlike Jon, Dany realizes how valuable she is, and while she's willing to risk her life for a cause she deems worthy (like the rescue mission), she has no interest in acting brave for the sake of it. 

I'm saying that she never gets her hands dirty. It makes no sense for someone like Jon, who has fought and bled for pretty much every single thing he's gotten, to bow to someone who does nothing but delegate all the hard labor to her underlings.
Perhaps Jon recognizes that delegation is what a king/queen has to do, a statement I certainly believe to be true. Listening to advisors and stuff like that should be lauded, not looked down upon. Also, Jon never really had the intention of leading anything, and furthermore keeping himself alive was never as much of a priority (Dany's unique and irreplaceable to her cause because of her dragons). Either way though, I don't really get what you mean when you criticize her for "not getting her hands dirty". She's entered battles when necessary, but she doesn't want to just raze everything with the dragons and if she's not going to be on Drogon then there's really no reason for her to be fighting. Why risk her death battling with a sword in hand to hand combat? You have to admit the idea just makes no sense.

The question is why Jon would choose to follow her and why he finds her to be an admirable leader. Please don't say "because she's super important." The show has been telling me for seven seasons how important she is; that hasn't made me like her as a person or respect her as a ruler. Jon has met his fair share of pompous rich people, and he always seems to see them for what they are. He's not the type of person who blindly follows others because they've got fancy last names (or because they're hot). It makes no sense for his character.
I basically explained this already, but Jon hadn't bent the knee before because he didn't know if she was an admirable leader or not, and therefore couldn't judge whether he should place the trust of the North with her. However, when he sees her risk her life everything she's worked for to come save him and his crew past the wall, he sees that she's a leader that he can admire and get behind. These actions are exactly in line with what you laid out as some of his important character traits; refused to bend the knee even when it may have been politically expedient to do so, and only accepted Dany as his queen when she proved to him that she was worthy of such a distinction.

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« Reply #507 on: August 22, 2017, 12:40:34 am »
I basically explained this already, but Jon hadn't bent the knee before because he didn't know if she was an admirable leader or not, and therefore couldn't judge whether he should place the trust of the North with her. However, when he sees her risk her life everything she's worked for to come save him and his crew past the wall, he sees that she's a leader that he can admire and get behind. These actions are exactly in line with what you laid out as some of his important character traits; refused to bend the knee even when it may have been politically expedient to do so, and only accepted Dany as his queen when she proved to him that she was worthy of such a distinction.

Yeah, fine, but I'm saying that it ain't no big risk when you've got three dragons by your side. I'm not really seeing a parallel between Dany sitting on the back of a fire-breathing lizard and Jon getting beaten to a pulp during the Battle of the Bastards.

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« Reply #508 on: August 22, 2017, 02:33:44 am »
Still haven't watched the new episode, but I'm hearing some very questionable things about it.

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« Reply #509 on: August 22, 2017, 09:22:26 am »
I basically explained this already, but Jon hadn't bent the knee before because he didn't know if she was an admirable leader or not, and therefore couldn't judge whether he should place the trust of the North with her. However, when he sees her risk her life everything she's worked for to come save him and his crew past the wall, he sees that she's a leader that he can admire and get behind. These actions are exactly in line with what you laid out as some of his important character traits; refused to bend the knee even when it may have been politically expedient to do so, and only accepted Dany as his queen when she proved to him that she was worthy of such a distinction.

Yeah, fine, but I'm saying that it ain't no big risk when you've got three dragons by your side. I'm not really seeing a parallel between Dany sitting on the back of a fire-breathing lizard and Jon getting beaten to a pulp during the Battle of the Bastards.
I mean yeah, it's not the same risk in terms of potential to die, but she did still risk her life to save people she cares about when she didn't have to (and more importantly, Jon didn't expect her to). Honestly though, someone risking their life as much as Jon does is a terrible idea for them; it's amazing the guy has only died once.

None of this excuses how fast the raven got to Dany and Dany then got to the squad though; the pace of time has really been all over the place this season.

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« Reply #510 on: August 22, 2017, 11:53:30 am »
I basically explained this already, but Jon hadn't bent the knee before because he didn't know if she was an admirable leader or not, and therefore couldn't judge whether he should place the trust of the North with her. However, when he sees her risk her life everything she's worked for to come save him and his crew past the wall, he sees that she's a leader that he can admire and get behind. These actions are exactly in line with what you laid out as some of his important character traits; refused to bend the knee even when it may have been politically expedient to do so, and only accepted Dany as his queen when she proved to him that she was worthy of such a distinction.

Yeah, fine, but I'm saying that it ain't no big risk when you've got three dragons by your side. I'm not really seeing a parallel between Dany sitting on the back of a fire-breathing lizard and Jon getting beaten to a pulp during the Battle of the Bastards.
I mean yeah, it's not the same risk in terms of potential to die, but she did still risk her life to save people she cares about when she didn't have to (and more importantly, Jon didn't expect her to). Honestly though, someone risking their life as much as Jon does is a terrible idea for them; it's amazing the guy has only died once.

None of this excuses how fast the raven got to Dany and Dany then got to the squad though; the pace of time has really been all over the place this season.

The reason why Jon would make a good ruler is precisely because he doesn't seek out power, and because he's fought on the battlefield (on the ground, not sitting above everyone shooting fire at people). If he orders men into battle, you know that he understands what it's going to be like for them because he's been in that position before. Dany, meanwhile, has always been extremely detached from the people she's trying to rule. And the fact that Tyrion and Jon don't see that in her makes them look like a couple of dullards.

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« Reply #511 on: August 27, 2017, 10:06:05 pm »
Hahaha! I love this show again!

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« Reply #512 on: August 27, 2017, 10:28:12 pm »
The fact that the White Walkers needed a Dragon to get through the wall makes Jon's capture a wight plan look even more retarded than before. So Cersei isn't helping (not surprising) and if Jon hadn't tried to capture a wight then he wouldn't have needed a Dragon to bail him out which would have effectively kept the White Walkers at bay at least for the time being.

Damn the writing has really suffered without Martin's books to adapt from.

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« Reply #513 on: August 27, 2017, 10:29:15 pm »
The fact that the White Walkers needed a Dragon to get through the wall makes Jon's capture a wight look even more retarded than before. So Cersei isn't helping (not surprising) and if Jon hadn't tried to capture a wight then he wouldn't have needed a Dragon to bail him out which would have effectively kept the White Walkers at bay at least for the time being.

Damn the writing has really suffered without Martin's books to adapt from.

On the bright side, my biggest prediction of the season came true. The wall came down... though in decidedly less epic fashion than I'd expected.

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« Reply #514 on: August 27, 2017, 10:35:36 pm »

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« Reply #515 on: August 27, 2017, 10:39:36 pm »

I mean, he wasn't really aware that Bran literally can know anything he wants.

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« Reply #516 on: August 27, 2017, 10:44:43 pm »
I mean, he wasn't really aware that Bran literally can know anything he wants.

I guess we're to assume that Bran only just recently told Sansa everything, since there were about half a dozen scenes where Arya and Sansa argued in a room together with no one else around in the past three episodes. Or are we to assume that Littlefinger was listening in on some of those? If not, it sure seems like Arya and Sansa were actually willing to kill one another up until Bran told them what he knew.

Doesn't really make that scene any less cathartic, but Frank's right. The writing has really started to suck ever since season five.

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« Reply #517 on: August 27, 2017, 11:27:01 pm »
I mean, he wasn't really aware that Bran literally can know anything he wants.

I guess we're to assume that Bran only just recently told Sansa everything, since there were about half a dozen scenes where Arya and Sansa argued in a room together with no one else around in the past three episodes. Or are we to assume that Littlefinger was listening in on some of those? If not, it sure seems like Arya and Sansa were actually willing to kill one another up until Bran told them what he knew.

Doesn't really make that scene any less cathartic, but Frank's right. The writing has really started to suck ever since season five.
Idk if you watched Benioff and Weiss talking about the episode afterwards, but they certainly implied that the sisters had been staging stuff for Littlefinger and that Bran had told Sansa what was up. That's what I was going with anyway, and although it still doesn't entirely explain the scene with the faces last week it does explain Sansa's behavior in her conversation with Littlefinger earlier in the episode.

As for the writing, I think the plotting has taken a downward turn in the last few seasons (particularly how everyone just teleports now), but the dialogue's still as sharp as ever for the most part.

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« Reply #518 on: August 27, 2017, 11:45:24 pm »
I caught a few episodes of S1 today.  I like Sean Bean.  I mean, I know he dies and everything, but I like him.  Also, why does his real son look partially retarded while the bastard looks normal? 

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« Reply #519 on: August 27, 2017, 11:48:51 pm »
I caught a few episodes of S1 today.  I like Sean Bean.  I mean, I know he dies and everything, but I like him.  Also, why does his real son look partially retarded while the bastard looks normal? 

I also like the midget.  He's pretty clever.  Also, I like the guy that got punched by Bane in the Dark Knight Rises.  He seems pretty cool.  That effeminate blonde kid seems like a dud, though.  I know he's one of the main baddies of the show, but eh, I'm indifferent.  The Stark girl that looks like she has Down's Syndrome is pretty boring and same with the ginger.

 

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