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Author Topic: Good vs. bad blockbuster sci-fi: Comparing Men in Black with Rogue One  (Read 382 times)

Diego Tutweiller

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Well, in the case of feminism, many would consider Wonder Woman to be a "strong" female character. 

Lol.

Yeah, I don't necessarily think she is, but I could definitely see how one could say she is.

When I think "strong female character," all I can think of is this:



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Sad that I missed this debate, but I just wanted to add that while I don't think any critics are being directly bribed, what Diego's saying may have some merit. The difference between the DC movies and Marvel/Starwars is that the latter two have already been established as "critically popular" franchises, so going against the grain now, as a critic, runs the risk of being written off by people in my opinion. Otherwise, I honestly can't understand why Rogue One would get such positive reviews. By the way, I think this critic phenomenon that Diego's alluding to can be seen in the fact that, before the Phantom Menace's re-release, both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones had fresh scores on RT.

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Sad that I missed this debate, but I just wanted to add that while I don't think any critics are being directly bribed, what Diego's saying may have some merit. The difference between the DC movies and Marvel/Starwars is that the latter two have already been established as "critically popular" franchises, so going against the grain now, as a critic, runs the risk of being written off by people in my opinion. Otherwise, I honestly can't understand why Rogue One would get such positive reviews. By the way, I think this critic phenomenon that Diego's alluding to can be seen in the fact that, before the Phantom Menace's re-release, both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones had fresh scores on RT.

I think a big difference is in terms of audience appeal. Nobody wants to see Superman knocking down buildings except for retarded DC fanboys. Marvel and Star Wars, on the other hand, appeal to general audiences, which includes comic book fans as well as casual viewers. DC's "dark" tone has become its biggest weakness, and because there's significant disagreement among audience members about the quality of their movies, critics feel more comfortable lambasting them.

Take, for example, these score comparisons between three films that (I think) are comparable due to similar storylines.

The-Film-That-Must-Not-Be-Named - 75
Batman V Superman - 64
Suicide Squad - 64

Iron Man - 91
Captain America: Civil War - 89
Guardians of the Galaxy - 92

These are the audience scores off of RT. Marvel barely dips below 90%. DC, meanwhile, is struggling to maintain a fresh rating-- from the audience (the people who saw fit to award Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen a 58%, only six points lower than Suicide Squad and BVS). That's not insignificant. It shows that audiences still haven't cottoned on to DC's movies as much as they have to Marvel's, and because of that, critics think they can eviscerate the films safely without compromising their readership.

That said, whenever a critic attacks a DC film, I've noticed that they do it from a technical standpoint. They criticize the editing, the ugly cinematography, and the chaotic action, but never do they say "All the performances are absolutely laughable and these people should never work in Hollywood again." Hell, they gave Margot Robbie a fucking Critic's Choice award a couple weeks back. So even with DC's awful movies, they still don't have the balls to be honest in their criticism.

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This was a pretty good post, but I think the comparisons could be taken further. I know this is stretching the definition of "sci-fi" a bit, but would you consider comparing Rogue One with X-Men: First Class next? I'm sure Diego would love that one!

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After watching like 80% of that useless piece of trash before falling asleep, I can wholeheartedly agree with this assessment.  The more I think about the film, the more I am just disgusted with it. 

 

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