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Author Topic: Rank these late-night "comedians" by how obnoxiously they pander to liberals  (Read 123 times)

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Seth Meyers
John Oliver
Stephen Colbert
Trevor Noah
Samantha Bee
Jimmy Fallon
Jimmy Kimmel
Bill Maher

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Meyers: Never really watched much of him, although he has some funny clips online

Oliver: Pretty hilarious and some of his main stories/investigations are actually really great, but he is sometimes undermined by being a bit obnoxiously liberal.

Colbert: Don't really find him funny; too much liberal pandering for my taste.

Noah/Bee: Never watched their shows

Fallon: Not really very funny but also not really political at all

Kimmel: Haven't seen that much of him, but also tends to steer away from politics

Maher: He's dope

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Meyers: Never really watched much of him, although he has some funny clips online

Oliver: Pretty hilarious and some of his main stories/investigations are actually really great, but he is sometimes undermined by being a bit obnoxiously liberal.

Colbert: Don't really find him funny; too much liberal pandering for my taste.

Noah/Bee: Never watched their shows

Fallon: Not really very funny but also not really political at all

Kimmel: Haven't seen that much of him, but also tends to steer away from politics

Maher: He's dope

Maher is certainly the least awful of these people. I actually like him a lot.

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I don't watch much television but based on what I've heard or seen from them I would rank it something like this (from most to least pandering):

Top spot through sixth spot is a big jumble since they're all pretty ideologically homogenous. I am probably blindly ranking them but I have a feeling it would go like this.

Being European and left-wing, I will make a likely baseless assumption that Oliver may be most partisan of the group. I don't know if he's actively commented on British politics (opting instead to look more at Trump, China, etc.) and whether his video on Venezuela was filled with as much apologetic statements as Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell tend to use, but his reporting gives the impression that he sees himself as a modern day muckraker. I have seen his video on the Democratic delegate process and it seemed sympathetic to Bernie also (a rarity for this crowd). Also, there's that whole "lmao Drumpft" thing that he started that was never funny.

Colbert was the one who made a big deal about the "two scoops" thing (though that might have just been memes exaggerating that) and coined the Putin cock holster quote. Has definitely become a DNC puppet in his attempts to regain his Colbert Report era glory. Plus, if Paasche finds him to pander too much then that says a lot. Definitely held back on derision of Hillary during the 2016 cycle.

Going to go with Kimmel next. He has doubled down on politics a ton, from the ever rising Trump Counter Diego and I have measured during the last two Oscars, to the fact that he made it onto the Time 100 this year, and the videos he has on gun control and healthcare. Mostly seems to be an Obama style Democrat though.

Not sure about Bee and Noah. I remember hearing that the former stumped for Hillary a lot during the 2016 cycle (even during the primaries) and that she gets more into hysterics (like this whole controversy about her calling Melania Trump a cunt). Noah is probably similarly inclined but probably feels pressure to appear ideologically similar to Jon Stewart, though that is a hunch. I did watch his debate with Tomi Lahren over BLM and I was more taken aback by the audience being a massive pack of sycophants.

To my knowledge Meyers is just riding off the anti-Trump coattails. Some say that he might have been the impetus for Trump running in the first place.

Maher is probably penultimate. His show is definitely left-wing and political but makes no pretense of it not being that way. Probably the only one here willing to call out the left on its issues (Hence his statement on governing without shame vs. shame without governing) and the only one that openly criticizes Islam, perhaps at the expense of his older good will with progressives.

Fallon is definitely at the bottom due to steering away from politics. I remember when he got flack for not being political when he had Trump and Hillary on and didn't talk about politics. Probably left of center but does not want to be boxed up in being a political commentator at the expense of ratings.

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I don't watch much television but based on what I've heard or seen from them I would rank it something like this (from most to least pandering):

Top spot through sixth spot is a big jumble since they're all pretty ideologically homogenous. I am probably blindly ranking them but I have a feeling it would go like this.

Being European and left-wing, I will make a likely baseless assumption that Oliver may be most partisan of the group. I don't know if he's actively commented on British politics (opting instead to look more at Trump, China, etc.) and whether his video on Venezuela was filled with as much apologetic statements as Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell tend to use, but his reporting gives the impression that he sees himself as a modern day muckraker. I have seen his video on the Democratic delegate process and it seemed sympathetic to Bernie also (a rarity for this crowd). Also, there's that whole "lmao Drumpft" thing that he started that was never funny.

Colbert was the one who made a big deal about the "two scoops" thing (though that might have just been memes exaggerating that) and coined the Putin cock holster quote. Has definitely become a DNC puppet in his attempts to regain his Colbert Report era glory. Plus, if Paasche finds him to pander too much then that says a lot. Definitely held back on derision of Hillary during the 2016 cycle.

Going to go with Kimmel next. He has doubled down on politics a ton, from the ever rising Trump Counter Diego and I have measured during the last two Oscars, to the fact that he made it onto the Time 100 this year, and the videos he has on gun control and healthcare. Mostly seems to be an Obama style Democrat though.

Not sure about Bee and Noah. I remember hearing that the former stumped for Hillary a lot during the 2016 cycle (even during the primaries) and that she gets more into hysterics (like this whole controversy about her calling Melania Trump a cunt). Noah is probably similarly inclined but probably feels pressure to appear ideologically similar to Jon Stewart, though that is a hunch. I did watch his debate with Tomi Lahren over BLM and I was more taken aback by the audience being a massive pack of sycophants.

To my knowledge Meyers is just riding off the anti-Trump coattails. Some say that he might have been the impetus for Trump running in the first place.

Maher is probably penultimate. His show is definitely left-wing and political but makes no pretense of it not being that way. Probably the only one here willing to call out the left on its issues (Hence his statement on governing without shame vs. shame without governing) and the only one that openly criticizes Islam, perhaps at the expense of his older good will with progressives.

Fallon is definitely at the bottom due to steering away from politics. I remember when he got flack for not being political when he had Trump and Hillary on and didn't talk about politics. Probably left of center but does not want to be boxed up in being a political commentator at the expense of ratings.
I think this point about Maher is important: There's a difference between having liberal viewpoints and pandering to the left. Maher may be a liberal, but I would strongly argue that he doesn't really pander to the left much at all. In my opinion, Maher calls situations as he sees them rather than indulging his base (his criticism of Islam is a strong example of this). That's quite different from a Colbert who, I feel, panders to his audience hard. Although Seth Rogen was pretty funny on his show the other night.

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My rankings:

1) Samantha Bee: I never watch her show, but based on clips I've seen I think she's the worst on this list. Completely unfunny, and relentlessly attacks women who voted for Trump for "betraying the sisterhood." The "feckless cunt" line isn't even in the top ten dumbest things I've heard her say.

2) John Oliver: Literally one of my most-hated people on TV. His staff does some good investigative reporting, but he's an obnoxious European windbag who re-uses jokes, goes off on pointless tangents, and justifies every bogus progressive policy he pushes with "It's [CURRENT YEAR], people! Come on!"

3) Colbert: How the mighty have fallen. From legitimately edgy humor that poked fun at both the left and the right, to what is basically a vapid celebrity talk show interspersed with jokes about the president's penis size. This man has sold his soul. He is an eternal soy boy.

4) Trevor Noah: I don't watch this guy's show either. He's basically Jon Stewart without the humor. No one cares. Next.

5) Seth Meyers: This man has never used a single original joke in his life. He is a chinless man-child who raids the internet (mostly Reddit) and other late-night shows for his jokes, and he slurs his speech in his delivery. Watching his show is like watching someone read a Huffington Post at your face.

6) Kimmel: He used to not be very political, but in the wake of the #MeToo movement, he's tried to rebrand himself as some kind of white knight for feminism. Too bad he literally looks like a sleazy used car salesman. Still, I don't hate him like some of the others on this list.

7) Maher: The only watchable person here. Definitely takes a very liberal bent, but the format of his show is great, and he regularly gets conservative guests with whom he disagrees. No one else here would have ever had Milo on. I respect this guy greatly for his willingness to have real conversations.

8) Fallon: Not political. But also not a comedian.

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My rankings:

1) Samantha Bee: I never watch her show, but based on clips I've seen I think she's the worst on this list. Completely unfunny, and relentlessly attacks women who voted for Trump for "betraying the sisterhood." The "feckless cunt" line isn't even in the top ten dumbest things I've heard her say.

2) John Oliver: Literally one of my most-hated people on TV. His staff does some good investigative reporting, but he's an obnoxious European windbag who re-uses jokes, goes off on pointless tangents, and justifies every bogus progressive policy he pushes with "It's [CURRENT YEAR], people! Come on!"

3) Colbert: How the mighty have fallen. From legitimately edgy humor that poked fun at both the left and the right, to what is basically a vapid celebrity talk show interspersed with jokes about the president's penis size. This man has sold his soul. He is an eternal soy boy.

4) Trevor Noah: I don't watch this guy's show either. He's basically Jon Stewart without the humor. No one cares. Next.

5) Seth Meyers: This man has never used a single original joke in his life. He is a chinless man-child who raids the internet (mostly Reddit) and other late-night shows for his jokes, and he slurs his speech in his delivery. Watching his show is like watching someone read a Huffington Post at your face.

6) Kimmel: He used to not be very political, but in the wake of the #MeToo movement, he's tried to rebrand himself as some kind of white knight for feminism. Too bad he literally looks like a sleazy used car salesman. Still, I don't hate him like some of the others on this list.

7) Maher: The only watchable person here. Definitely takes a very liberal bent, but the format of his show is great, and he regularly gets conservative guests with whom he disagrees. No one else here would have ever had Milo on. I respect this guy greatly for his willingness to have real conversations.

8) Fallon: Not political. But also not a comedian.

In retrospect I might have forgotten to rank them based on the multitude of pandering.

I did forget about Bee’s collectivist statements. She also said it was justified to blame white people for Trump winning because “all Muslims” were blamed for certain terrorist attacks st the time if I remember correctly.

And yeah, invoking the “It’s current year” mantra should be considered a logical fallacy.

 

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